Why didn't Nevill leave WHF's front door ajar for Bamber & co ?

[mike tesko]

SOMETIMES crime has to be fought with crime. You may think my APPROACH dishonest, but I haven't made a career out of being dishonest or trying to defraud. For those who have, I'm prepared for the police to use whatever means they have at their disposal to stop this happening, because it's MY hard earned money some of these criminals are stealing. OH, and I've heard you getting pretty irate about it, too.

Your approach tippifies why miscarriage of justice occur!

[Jane]

Your approach is a dishonest one!

I thought you were posting here to get to the truth!!

But not your truth, Mike.

[lookout]

See, I rather see the relatives as fighting to retain something they'd ALL worked their guts out for to prevent it all falling into the hands of a usurper whose only interest in it was what he could make on it.

Pity you don't see things as I see them. 12 months before the tragedy,the EATONS lost their farmland.After returning from holiday they'd been contacted by PE's brother telling them that their rented land had been sold. NB had kindly solved a problem for them by purchasing a piece of land for them to farm and it was this piece of land that remained in the hands of the Bambers who,when they all perished would automatically have been turned over to JB.
I can see that the thought of working on land belonging to a " kid who had no ties to the family " would have sent reverberations through all the relatives so any which way they could blame him for the murders--------they did,and succeeded.
I CAN'T see it any other way than this. The relatives put him where he is and are determined to keep him there.

[mike tesko]

But not your truth, Mike.

Ok, but at least I start off from the position of having an open mind, your approach by your own admission is a dishonest one! And, that's why miscarriages of justice occur!

I have done responding to anything you post from here on in - good luck and don't keep up the bad work!!!

[mike tesko]

It's official then, people think it's alright to fabricate and falsify evidence! What a malarky, behaving like criminals to justify somebodies demise, in one form or another!

That's what victims like Jeremy Bamber are up against!

How can anyone who takes a dishonest approach, be entertained when it comes to somebody having been wronged, when the person your trying to debate with, takes a dishonest approach?

[Jane]

Ok, but at least I start off from the position of having an open mind, your approach by your own admission is a dishonest one! And, that's why miscarriages of justice occur!

I have done responding to anything you post from here on in - good luck and don't keep up the bad work!!!

Everyone has their own truth. I find your blanket hatred of the police anything BUT open minded, but I don't see how you can say that my mind is closed when I can freely admit that, as I've never had the sort of dealings with them that you, and your family, have  -and I suspect that goes for many others here, too- I can't be expected to see/share it from your perspective.

[Roch]

Everyone has their own truth. I find your blanket hatred of the police anything BUT open minded, but I don't see how you can say that my mind is closed when I can freely admit that, as I've never had the sort of dealings with them that you, and your family, have  -and I suspect that goes for many others here, too- I can't be expected to see/share it from your perspective.

Nearly all my dealings with police in my role at work have been positive.  As a consequence, I am inclined to think positively of the police in general.  However, I am aware that as an institution, they have committed some heinous acts over the years.  It is probably also true, that if the policing fraternity has existed in a 'closed shop' scenario, it is likely to have been awash with abuses of power. 

[Jane]

Pity you don't see things as I see them. 12 months before the tragedy,the EATONS lost their farmland.After returning from holiday they'd been contacted by PE's brother telling them that their rented land had been sold. NB had kindly solved a problem for them by purchasing a piece of land for them to farm and it was this piece of land that remained in the hands of the Bambers who,when they all perished would automatically have been turned over to JB.
I can see that the thought of working on land belonging to a " kid who had no ties to the family " would have sent reverberations through all the relatives so any which way they could blame him for the murders--------they did,and succeeded.
I CAN'T see it any other way than this. The relatives put him where he is and are determined to keep him there.

But I believe he committed the murders. I have no proof that the relatives didn't do more than tell it how they'd always seen it, and encouraged the police to see it their way. It doesn't make Jeremy innocent.

[Jane]

Nearly all my dealings with police in my role at work have been positive.  As a consequence, I am inclined to think positively of the police in general.  However, I am aware that as an institution, they have committed some heinous acts over the years.  It is probably also true, that if the policing fraternity has existed in a 'closed shop' scenario, it is likely to have been awash with abuses of power.

Roch, I, 100% concur with what you say. Of COURSE I'm not blind to corruption within any institution. The bigger the institution, generally, the greater the corruption but I can't help but feel that it's being used, in this case, to suggest that they framed an innocent man. There are rotten apples in EVERY barrel, but unlike some here, perhaps because of their own agenda's, I don't believe the whole barrel is rotten to the core.

[susan]

Hello lookout
we all as individuals see things differently and can be passionate about our views.  I for one tend to lean towards Jeremy guilty but I always have a wee space in my mind he could be innocent and thus I am prepared to listen to points raised by his supporters others are so convinced he is guilty they are passionate about their beliefs and that is their right.  It has been well documented that some police forces have not always been honest but I think we have more honest cops than dishonest.

[lookout]

Hello lookout
we all as individuals see things differently and can be passionate about our views.  I for one tend to lean towards Jeremy guilty but I always have a wee space in my mind he could be innocent and thus I am prepared to listen to points raised by his supporters others are so convinced he is guilty they are passionate about their beliefs and that is their right.  It has been well documented that some police forces have not always been honest but I think we have more honest cops than dishonest.

Hi Susan-------the powers of persuasion which generated from the relatives towards EP was such that it couldn't have been ignored,but it doesn't help solve a crime and this crime to my mind was never solved in the way it should have been. There is far more to crime than hating and loathing someone who you've named as the perpetrator and EP's abysmal investigating didn't go far enough.
For them it couldn't have been any easier than if JB had stood there holding a rifle.
You can't turn a murder around to suit those concerned,which is what happened. JB hadn't given anyone the runaround,nor evaded/avoided,he remained up-front right the way through.

I can't see that those who support JB wouldn't have " seen through " anyone who would be pulling the wool either,as there are some well-read people among his supporters as well as those who've parted with well-earned cash in which to help Jeremy find justice. Their determination as well as JB's is to be applauded to see this through.

Policing has changed over the years as the margin for error has become less and less and the public are made more aware through the media that dishonesty within forces is no longer acceptable. However,there are still areas of the law which need to be looked into such as the CCRC and IPCC.

[susan]

Hi Susan-------the powers of persuasion which generated from the relatives towards EP was such that it couldn't have been ignored,but it doesn't help solve a crime and this crime to my mind was never solved in the way it should have been. There is far more to crime than hating and loathing someone who you've named as the perpetrator and EP's abysmal investigating didn't go far enough.
For them it couldn't have been any easier than if JB had stood there holding a rifle.
You can't turn a murder around to suit those concerned,which is what happened. JB hadn't given anyone the runaround,nor evaded/avoided,he remained up-front right the way through.

I can't see that those who support JB wouldn't have " seen through " anyone who would be pulling the wool either,as there are some well-read people among his supporters as well as those who've parted with well-earned cash in which to help Jeremy find justice. Their determination as well as JB's is to be applauded to see this through.

Policing has changed over the years as the margin for error has become less and less and the public are made more aware through the media that dishonesty within forces is no longer acceptable. However,there are still areas of the law which need to be looked into such as the CCRC and IPCC.

Lookout excellent post X

[mike tesko]

Nearly all my dealings with police in my role at work have been positive.  As a consequence, I am inclined to think positively of the police in general.  However, I am aware that as an institution, they have committed some heinous acts over the years.  It is probably also true, that if the policing fraternity has existed in a 'closed shop' scenario, it is likely to have been awash with abuses of power.

The Hillsboro' Cover up by South Yorkshire police springs to mind - they fabricated other coppers witness statements, and the local Coroner's court and that vile monster called Thatcher were all in on it! You can't trust the filth, especially knowing that they can't even tell the right time of day, or count beyond three bodies being upstairs at 8.10am, if there really were four!

Keystone cops were more efficient than Essex police, and South Yorkshire police!

Happy days for the scum of the earth and it's supporters, promotions all round, and fantastic pension rights! Vile evil scumbags!!

[mike tesko]

Non disclosure of evidence by the time of Bambers October 1986 Chelmsford Crown Court trial tells it's own story in Bambers case! Dodgy photographic evidence used to falsely promote how armed cops supposedly found the five bodies, a bullet that grew from a piece of badly fragmented bullet into a whole one withing six weeks of it being removed from Sheila's neck during autopsy! I wonder what the pathologist (Peter Venezis) would have to say about the ballistic expert, Malcom Fletcher, about exhibit PV/20 growing whole?

[mike tesko]

Front door to farmhouse was unlocked, cops opened it as an escape route before going upstairs!!