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The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« on: March 22, 2017, 10:50:AM »
Other than those with staring roles in this drama, who've been named and shamed for their -alleged- lies, there is also a cast of 'extras' which by now must add up to hundreds. Despite calls for them to step forward to own their crimes, they have no names. They have no faces, but we find them everywhere. 'They' are those who -allegedly- have witnessed things. Heard things. Been told things. DONE things. They are the assistant in the laboratory who's never been seen. They are an unknown driver of a non existent van. They are one of any number of one time policemen who've told fantastic stories. They are the unseen photographer who takes pictures at the scene of crime which materialize from out of the ether as being genuine. Despite leading us, in varying degrees, up the garden path, they can never be called to account for or corroborate what they've -allegedly- contributed to the drama because no one's ever seen them. They have no faces. They have no names.

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 11:19:AM »
That's why,as I've been told recently,that NOBODY will ever come forward,that Jeremy IS innocent and that he'll NEVER be released.
Not my view,but that of a retired police officer.

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 12:18:PM »
Nobody will ever come forward? That should tell you something.
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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 12:19:PM »
That's why,as I've been told recently,that NOBODY will ever come forward,that Jeremy IS innocent and that he'll NEVER be released.
Not my view,but that of a retired police officer.

I don't believe they -the nameless, faceless- exist. The retired police officers of my own acquaintance all think he's guilty. However, back when I thought he was innocent, I never believed he'd be released.

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 12:24:PM »
I don't believe they -the nameless, faceless- exist. The retired police officers of my own acquaintance all think he's guilty. However, back when I thought he was innocent, I never believed he'd be released.

Yes, Jabe, but the retired police officers that you know, aren't as important as the retired police officers that Lookout and Jackie know. Honest gov!
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 12:26:PM »
Yes, Jabe, but the retired police officers that you know, aren't as important as the retired police officers that Lookout and Jackie know. Honest gov!

What about my friend, the Judge. Does his view count?

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2017, 12:29:PM »
What about my friend, the Judge. Does his view count?

To them? No, not unless he changes his mind  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2017, 12:58:PM »
The officer that I know,though did his years with the force until retirement,still remains to be active in his profession.
Speaking to him 2 weeks ago, he'd been fuming and found it unbelievable that a crime he'd been involved in that the perpetrator who'd committed the most heinous of crimes had even applied for parole. However,the request was thankfully turned down but consideration would be given in another 12 months time ??
 I understood the man's disbelief,which he'd blamed the system itself and also in JB's case too,but the crime that he'd mentioned beggars belief that anyone would even bother with such a monster ever again.
The same officer was involved in signing a petition to keep the monster behind bars,of which I believed to have been over 7,000 signatures gathered within a short space of time.

He's on Twitter by the way.

Judges are only as good as the information they're given and if that's in short supply,they're stumped,for the final words had been that " it was either Sheila or Jeremy ".Marvellous deductions !! 

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2017, 01:10:PM »
The officer that I know,though did his years with the force until retirement,still remains to be active in his profession.
Speaking to him 2 weeks ago, he'd been fuming and found it unbelievable that a crime he'd been involved in that the perpetrator who'd committed the most heinous of crimes had even applied for parole. However,the request was thankfully turned down but consideration would be given in another 12 months time ??
 I understood the man's disbelief,which he'd blamed the system itself and also in JB's case too,but the crime that he'd mentioned beggars belief that anyone would even bother with such a monster ever again.
The same officer was involved in signing a petition to keep the monster behind bars,of which I believed to have been over 7,000 signatures gathered within a short space of time.

He's on Twitter by the way.

Judges are only as good as the information they're given and if that's in short supply,they're stumped,for the final words had been that " it was either Sheila or Jeremy ".Marvellous deductions !!

But then again, had the Judge recommended that Jeremy was acquitted, you'd be saying something entirely different, wouldn't you? It was hardly the trial Judge's fault that he deduced "it was either Sheila or Jeremy" when there was no one else involved. The alleged phone call gave information that Sheila had gone mad and got hold of the gun.......................the gun which by sheer coincidence? Jeremy just happened to have left at her disposal -after he'd failed to blast bunnies- yet he laboured the point of her mental instability, even NAMING it, to the police. WHO, in their right mind, would overlook such as being insignificant.

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2017, 01:42:PM »
But then again, had the Judge recommended that Jeremy was acquitted, you'd be saying something entirely different, wouldn't you? It was hardly the trial Judge's fault that he deduced "it was either Sheila or Jeremy" when there was no one else involved. The alleged phone call gave information that Sheila had gone mad and got hold of the gun.......................the gun which by sheer coincidence? Jeremy just happened to have left at her disposal -after he'd failed to blast bunnies- yet he laboured the point of her mental instability, even NAMING it, to the police. WHO, in their right mind, would overlook such as being insignificant.




If I thought for one minute that JB had been guilty,I WOULDN'T be on the forum---SIMPLES !

This is exactly what I mean when I say that a judge is only as good,or no good in this case,as the information he receives regarding the case and as we know there were a LOT of documents kept from the trial,which if EP had done their job PROPERLY there'd have been no need for a trial at all.

AE hadn't forced the issue of Sheila's " strange behaviour " or the " odd " letter which Sheila had sent to AE whilst in hospital where Sheila had " described her own body ?" and the devil being her friend. This was in January 1985,when AE had described Sheila as " probably having a nervous breakdown ".

Jeremy had been the EASIEST and most convenient target because he was still alive.
It has to also be argued that IF he had left the rifle on the kitchen table----which MANY believe he had,who'd moved it after he'd left for home ? And what happened after that ? NOBODY knows.

NB DID ring Jeremy and NB also rang EP too.

I DON'T believe that Jeremy ever understood the extent of what Sheila had been capable of,as unfortunately neither did anyone else,but the fact that this case has been ALL about Jeremy is totally WRONG as EP should have looked further. It is they who've let the man down and should be made to pay for this horrendous mistake.

It's human nature that you and others will continue to see this case differently. I don't and never will.!


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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2017, 02:18:PM »
The retired police officers of my own acquaintance all think he's guilty.

If that is their genuine view, then they can only be retired officers who were not familiar with the original case evidence for four murders and one suicide. 


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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2017, 02:40:PM »



If I thought for one minute that JB had been guilty,I WOULDN'T be on the forum---SIMPLES !

This is exactly what I mean when I say that a judge is only as good,or no good in this case,as the information he receives regarding the case and as we know there were a LOT of documents kept from the trial,which if EP had done their job PROPERLY there'd have been no need for a trial at all.

AE hadn't forced the issue of Sheila's " strange behaviour " or the " odd " letter which Sheila had sent to AE whilst in hospital where Sheila had " described her own body ?" and the devil being her friend. This was in January 1985,when AE had described Sheila as " probably having a nervous breakdown ".

Jeremy had been the EASIEST and most convenient target because he was still alive.
It has to also be argued that IF he had left the rifle on the kitchen table----which MANY believe he had,who'd moved it after he'd left for home ? And what happened after that ? NOBODY knows.

NB DID ring Jeremy and NB also rang EP too.

I DON'T believe that Jeremy ever understood the extent of what Sheila had been capable of,as unfortunately neither did anyone else,but the fact that this case has been ALL about Jeremy is totally WRONG as EP should have looked further. It is they who've let the man down and should be made to pay for this horrendous mistake.

It's human nature that you and others will continue to see this case differently. I don't and never will.!

".......you and others will continue to see this case differently. I never will" That statement reminds me of the soldier who wrote to his mother telling her that during drill, everyone was out of step, but him!!!!!

I'm not certain what is your point regarding AE's knowledge of Sheila's illness. I suspect, because of the family's penchant for secrecy, she knew little, but this may have been what you meant.

I totally disagree that Jeremy was ignorant of Sheila's illness. If there's any truth in the Bambers wanting to move Sheila and the twins into Jeremy's house,they'd have needed to furnish him with an explanation and he'd undoubtedly have had questions of his own. As to what you allege Sheila way capable of. I don't believe she was and if the Bambers had thought for one minute that she was, they'd probably have had a lock put on what passed for a gun cupboard before she arrived and TOLD Jeremy not to leave guns laying around. I will NEVER believe that Sheila was who you've tried to turn her into. You've turned Jeremy into a spineless cretin, who needed someone to wipe his backside, in the way you describe him. Others, who knew him, have described him as being on the lookout -Ooops!- for anything he could turn to his advantage. I suspect that neither sheila nor Jeremy were/are how you portray them as being'

Re the rifle. I believe he said he'd left it on the settle. At 24, surely it was his responsibility to have put it away.

If you believe Jeremy is innocent, you HAVE to believe in those phone calls because without them, there's no way he's innocent.

For emotional reasons, when I first joined, I WANTED Jeremy to be innocent. I believed all the lies that were told -you know, as well as I, what those lies were- and I MAY have gone on believing them, but the stories changed. The lies became more and more fantastic. Guess what, the more fantastic they became, the more I started to question what I was being told, and the more it started to feel as if I'd been wrong, and the more I found myself making excuses for him. When I ran out of excuses, there was only one answer left.

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 02:47:PM »
The officer that I know,though did his years with the force until retirement,still remains to be active in his profession.
Speaking to him 2 weeks ago, he'd been fuming and found it unbelievable that a crime he'd been involved in that the perpetrator who'd committed the most heinous of crimes had even applied for parole. However,the request was thankfully turned down but consideration would be given in another 12 months time ??
 I understood the man's disbelief,which he'd blamed the system itself and also in JB's case too,but the crime that he'd mentioned beggars belief that anyone would even bother with such a monster ever again.
The same officer was involved in signing a petition to keep the monster behind bars,of which I believed to have been over 7,000 signatures gathered within a short space of time.

He's on Twitter by the way.

Judges are only as good as the information they're given and if that's in short supply,they're stumped,for the final words had been that " it was either Sheila or Jeremy ".Marvellous deductions !!

So this officer wasn't involved in the Bamber case?
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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 02:56:PM »
So this officer wasn't involved in the Bamber case?





No,but he's well conversant in the case.

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Re: The Invisible Faceless, Nameless
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2017, 03:32:PM »




No,but he's well conversant in the case.

So he just has an opinion like the rest of us!  ::)
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