Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[JackieD]

It's not particularly relevant. You have a young woman with severe motor difficulties only hours before the massacre and none of you will accept this but try to focus on a smile she gave to Len Foakes.

Can you guide me to any reliable source that says Len Foakes who knew Sheila very says she was walking like a zombie

Another point Len Foakes who lived locally was probably someone that could have identify the bodies

[Jane]

Can you guide me to any reliable source that says Len Foakes who knew Sheila very says she was walking like a zombie

Another point Len Foakes who lived locally was probably someone that could have identify the bodies

He'd have had to have known them REALLY well to know that one had a small scar the other didn't. Even better to know which. Odd that a farmhand, who would have only had the same opportunity to see them as the family, would know what family didn't, don't you think?

[Steve_uk]

So???

Follow the grain of the thread Jackie and you won't need to post #840 either.

[guest1199]

This is a public forum, Tom. Feel free to contribute as and when. Whether or not you "construct a manuscript" and submit it, is entirely your choice. It probably won't matter to us, one way or the other but it might be a waste of your, obviously precious and valuable time, if you put all that work into something you're likely to feel proud of, and don't present it for comment. Just a thought.

Jane I'm utterly perplexed by your comment.  My time is no more precious than any other working man.  The thing that astonishes me is the total number of posts made by others that run into thousands and in some cases tens of thousands.  Thats not a indictment of my "precious and valuable time", it's the profligacy of other peoples time on this forum that astonishes me.  Of course it's up to the individual how they spend their time; however I can't help but notice the inordinate amount of time spent on this forum by the pro-guilt community who have nothing to gain by further discussion, since JB is banged up good and proper in their opinion.

I think it's only right that I should have a "Sheila scenario", but  since I have only recently been able to pay more attention to it, that commitment will take more time, apologies to Adam and Steve UK.  Both have been insisting that I post a Sheila scenario, yet you say in your post that it "probably won't matter to us".  So hey-ho what do I do?  I'll post a review of CAL's book on Amazon for you all to slaughter at will.  It won't be a total Sheila scenario but it's as far as I can go at the moment.  No more posting for the time being.

And please Adam, no more making gross misrepresentations of my posts in the meantime, it tends to get me a bit upset, you may have noticed.

[Adam]

Jane I'm utterly perplexed by your comment.  My time is no more precious than any other working man.  The thing that astonishes me is the total number of posts made by others that run into thousands and in some cases tens of thousands.  Thats not a indictment of my "precious and valuable time", it's the profligacy of other peoples time on this forum that astonishes me.  Of course it's up to the individual how they spend their time; however I can't help but notice the inordinate amount of time spent on this forum by the pro-guilt community who have nothing to gain by further discussion, since JB is banged up good and proper in their opinion.

I think it's only right that I should have a "Sheila scenario", but  since I have only recently been able to pay more attention to it, that commitment will take more time, apologies to Adam and Steve UK.  Both have been insisting that I post a Sheila scenario, yet you say in your post that it "probably won't matter to us".  So hey-ho what do I do?  I'll post a review of CAL's book on Amazon for you all to slaughter at will.  It won't be a total Sheila scenario but it's as far as I can go at the moment.  No more posting for the time being.

And please Adam, no more making gross misrepresentations of my posts in the meantime, it tends to get me a bit upset, you may have noticed.

Well I did quote the post you wrote. After you complained.

From what I've read you're main points for doubting Bamber's guilt is no one knows where Nevill was when June was being shot, and Nevill's first two shots from inches away hit his jaw and lip. But feel free to correct me.

A scenario from a guilter or supporter will make no difference to the case. Just as all the other posts won't. However everyone should supply one if they feel strongly one way or the other. It's surprising how many supporters still don't budge after their scenario is dismantled.

[Steve_uk]

Jane I'm utterly perplexed by your comment.  My time is no more precious than any other working man.  The thing that astonishes me is the total number of posts made by others that run into thousands and in some cases tens of thousands.  Thats not a indictment of my "precious and valuable time", it's the profligacy of other peoples time on this forum that astonishes me.  Of course it's up to the individual how they spend their time; however I can't help but notice the inordinate amount of time spent on this forum by the pro-guilt community who have nothing to gain by further discussion, since JB is banged up good and proper in their opinion.

I think it's only right that I should have a "Sheila scenario", but  since I have only recently been able to pay more attention to it, that commitment will take more time, apologies to Adam and Steve UK.  Both have been insisting that I post a Sheila scenario, yet you say in your post that it "probably won't matter to us".  So hey-ho what do I do?  I'll post a review of CAL's book on Amazon for you all to slaughter at will.  It won't be a total Sheila scenario but it's as far as I can go at the moment.  No more posting for the time being.

And please Adam, no more making gross misrepresentations of my posts in the meantime, it tends to get me a bit upset, you may have noticed.

After four and a half years on this site I'd have thought you'd have had ample time to provide a Sheila scenario. We are actually all friends here, which might sound incredible to you. However much or little time members spend here is really none of your business, neither is the rationale, but at least you've stopped your hoots (albeit I suspect only temporarily), so all has not been in vain.

[JackieD]

He'd have had to have known them REALLY well to know that one had a small scar the other didn't. Even better to know which. Odd that a farmhand, who would have only had the same opportunity to see them as the family, would know what family didn't, don't you think?

Absolutely not

How many times did Julie meet the twins then

[JackieD]

Follow the grain of the thread Jackie and you won't need to post #840 either.

Your post was irrelevant and as per usual everything comes from a book

[Steve_uk]

Your post was irrelevant and as per usual everything comes from a book

I'll let members judge the first. As for the second books can be useful to fill gaps in the archive and library here.

[Jane]

Absolutely not

How many times did Julie meet the twins then

I imagine Julie to have had quality time with them. Interesting that the last time Colin and the boys were together, Julie read a bedtime story to ONE twin. I think, as she'd had a one on one relationship with A twin, it makes her eminently capable of identifying them both.

[Jane]

Your post was irrelevant and as per usual everything comes from a book

Let me say now, having crossed swords with Steve on several occasions, his posts are NEVER irrelevant. Controversial, maybe. NEVER irrelevant.

[Roch]

Do you have it to hand Roch?

It's entitled "utter garbage"

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0283072210/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=recent&filterByStar=one_star&pageNumber=1

There's a review by Malcolm Fletcher in there somewhere.  I think it's just a few words though.  There are many good reviews as well.  I didn't finish the book but I thought it was well written and the early part regarding the farmhouse history was eerie.

[JackieD]

I imagine Julie to have had quality time with them. Interesting that the last time Colin and the boys were together, Julie read a bedtime story to ONE twin. I think, as she'd had a one on one relationship with A twin, it makes her eminently capable of identifying them both.

As I have pointed out on numerous times before there would have an endless stream of people who knew the twins far better than Julie. You cannot have forgotten the foster parents the twins stayed with

Yet you still continue to make excuses for Julie putting her hand up to identify the bodies when apparently Jeremy told Julie he was responsible for the twins murder

I have just added Len to the list

[JackieD]

Let me say now, having crossed swords with Steve on several occasions, his posts are NEVER irrelevant. Controversial, maybe. NEVER irrelevant.

Well absolutely irrelevant to me.
All he does is quote from books which I have no interest in and probably feel the same as Maggie

I have filled in the gaps by actually talking to Jeremy himself and talking one to one with other people related to the case

I have found this a much more reliable source to fill in the gaps rather than read a book from someone out to make money

[Steve_uk]

Well absolutely irrelevant to me.
All he does is quote from books which I have no interest in and probably feel the same as Maggie

I have filled in the gaps by actually talking to Jeremy himself and talking one to one with other people related to the case

I have found this a much more reliable source to fill in the gaps rather than read a book from someone out to make money

Yet you seem to be rejecting Essex man Michael Horsnell's eyewitness account so once again I'll let members make up their own minds.