Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[lookout]

So are you saying that you don't believe there to have been any facial shots? I fail to see how, with such injuries, he'd have been able to put on a PJ jacket -had he not been wearing one- as if nothing untoward was happening.

Before his phone-call to Jeremy,there wouldn't have been any facial injuries.

[Jane]

Before his phone-call to Jeremy,there wouldn't have been any facial injuries.

So if he put his PJ jacket on prior to his alleged call to Jeremy, how would that preclude blood stains on the jacket from an injury which occurred later?

[lookout]

So if he put his PJ jacket on prior to his alleged call to Jeremy, how would that preclude blood stains on the jacket from an injury which occurred later?

There's no way of knowing when,or at what point the jacket went on,if at all during the shootings. It's just that I've never understood why it hadn't been blood-soaked like June had been in her nightdress.

[lookout]

Had it been Neville who was caught off-guard in the shower ? We don't know.

[Jane]

Had it been Neville who was caught off-guard in the shower ? We don't know.

We don't know if the shower came into the equation but IF it does nand IF someone other than Nevill was "caught off-guard" in it, who are you suggesting it may have been and why?

[lookout]

We don't know if the shower came into the equation but IF it does nand IF someone other than Nevill was "caught off-guard" in it, who are you suggesting it may have been and why?

Other than Neville it could well have been Sheila before Neville returned from walking the dogs-----which would have been late as his chores on the farm had continued long after JB had gone home. Either Sheila or Neville could have displaced the showerhead which had come detached or broken.

[Jane]

Other than Neville it could well have been Sheila before Neville returned from walking the dogs-----which would have been late as his chores on the farm had continued long after JB had gone home. Either Sheila or Neville could have displaced the showerhead which had come detached or broken.

Possibly, but June had told Pam that Sheila was going to bed. Were there not hand basins in the bedrooms? A bathroom upstairs? Why would Sheila have come downstairs to shower?

[lookout]

Possibly, but June had told Pam that Sheila was going to bed. Were there not hand basins in the bedrooms? A bathroom upstairs? Why would Sheila have come downstairs to shower?

So that the children wouldn't have been disturbed.
Speaking of Pam's late night call,tyler had suggested that Sheila may have thought it to be Colin which is why Sheila hadn't at that juncture decided to go to bed--------also hence Sheila's non-conversation with her aunt. Well you would feel deflated I'd guess.

Also,according to tyler June had rang someone at the Bible class to say that she wouldn't be attending,so no mystery there ?

[Jane]

So that the children wouldn't have been disturbed.
Speaking of Pam's late night call,tyler had suggested that Sheila may have thought it to be Colin which is why Sheila hadn't at that juncture decided to go to bed--------also hence Sheila's non-conversation with her aunt. Well you would feel deflated I'd guess.

Also,according to tyler June had rang someone at the Bible class to say that she wouldn't be attending,so no mystery there ?

Well, I think you'll agree that -with all due respect- we need rather more than Tyler's "thought" to ascertain what Sheila may -or not- have thought. Personally, I can't think WHY Colin would have left it so late to call, when, had he called earlier, he might have spoken to the boys.

I think I've seen it suggested that June rang "someone" to give her apologies for not attending Bible study. If this is the case, there will undoubtedly be verification. 

[lookout]

In Wilkes book,it makes reference to the £40,000 drug debt--------page 156.

The Mirror had reported " The Bambi Bloodbath-----Murder or Suicide ,that Sheila also took hard drugs and had owed two notorious drug barons £40,000 ".

No wonder there was mayhem------I bet Jeremy hadn't known that.

[Jane]

In Wilkes book,it makes reference to the £40,000 drug debt--------page 156.

The Mirror had reported " The Bambi Bloodbath-----Murder or Suicide ,that Sheila also took hard drugs and had owed two notorious drug barons £40,000 ".

No wonder there was mayhem------I bet Jeremy hadn't known that.

I bet Jeremy may have provided the information.

[Caroline]

In Wilkes book,it makes reference to the £40,000 drug debt--------page 156.

The Mirror had reported " The Bambi Bloodbath-----Murder or Suicide ,that Sheila also took hard drugs and had owed two notorious drug barons £40,000 ".

No wonder there was mayhem------I bet Jeremy hadn't known that.

All such stories turned out to be vicious gossip and given that he bought all the newspapers about the murders, of course he knew. If you're suggesting he didn't know she owed £40,000.00 to drug barons then no, he didn't because it wasn't true

[guest1199]

Hi Y'all. 

I'm still trying to make sense of CAL's book, she gives a dramatized account of the murder allegedly committed by Jeremy and has Nevill receiving the wounds to his arm and shoulder as well the ones to his lip and jaw upstairs.  The pro-guilt argument is that Nevill couldn't have got a phone call away if he had been shot in the jaw and mouth, fair enough. 

To shoot someone in the mouth and jaw is a pretty cruel thing to do, with the shooter allegedly no more than a couple of feet away it seems that there was an element of malice involved.  Two shots to the mouth isn't going to kill Nevill, only prolong his agony. 

I tend to think that Nevill did get the phone calls away and was shot in the mouth deliberately simply because he managed to do so.  A possible scenario might be Sheila screaming "Oh you've been shooting your mouth off have you? You b*****d! Well I'm going to make sure you don't do anything that stupid again", Sheila then fires the two shots into his mouth to shut him up. Anyway, just a thought.

I'm looking for reasons why this would be totally implausible.  Caroline or JaneJ perhaps?

Hoots!

[Adam]

Hi Y'all. 

I'm still trying to make sense of CAL's book, she gives a dramatized account of the murder allegedly committed by Jeremy and has Nevill receiving the wounds to his arm and shoulder as well the ones to his lip and jaw upstairs.  The pro-guilt argument is that Nevill couldn't have got a phone call away if he had been shot in the jaw and mouth, fair enough. 

To shoot someone in the mouth and jaw is a pretty cruel thing to do, with the shooter allegedly no more than a couple of feet away it seems that there was an element of malice involved.  Two shots to the mouth isn't going to kill Nevill, only prolong his agony. 

I tend to think that Nevill did get the phone calls away and was shot in the mouth deliberately simply because he managed to do so.  A possible scenario might be Sheila screaming "Oh you've been shooting your mouth off have you? You b*****d! Well I'm going to make sure you don't do anything that stupid again", Sheila then fires the two shots into his mouth to shut him up. Anyway, just a thought.

I'm looking for reasons why this would be totally implausible.  Caroline or JaneJ perhaps?

Hoots!

The upstairs face shots were from inches away.

The most implausible thing is Nevill rang Bamber.

You are saying Sheila shot Nevill soon after Nevill phoned Bamber. Therefore ruling out Nevill phoning the police.

This is the first scenario where Sheila speaks. Which is a surprise as a few hours earlier she was like a little mouse with a sore throat.

[Jane]

Hi Y'all. 

I'm still trying to make sense of CAL's book, she gives a dramatized account of the murder allegedly committed by Jeremy and has Nevill receiving the wounds to his arm and shoulder as well the ones to his lip and jaw upstairs.  The pro-guilt argument is that Nevill couldn't have got a phone call away if he had been shot in the jaw and mouth, fair enough. 

To shoot someone in the mouth and jaw is a pretty cruel thing to do, with the shooter allegedly no more than a couple of feet away it seems that there was an element of malice involved.  Two shots to the mouth isn't going to kill Nevill, only prolong his agony. 

I tend to think that Nevill did get the phone calls away and was shot in the mouth deliberately simply because he managed to do so.  A possible scenario might be Sheila screaming "Oh you've been shooting your mouth off have you? You b*****d! Well I'm going to make sure you don't do anything that stupid again", Sheila then fires the two shots into his mouth to shut him up. Anyway, just a thought.

I'm looking for reasons why this would be totally implausible.  Caroline or JaneJ perhaps?

Hoots!

Hmm. One would need to be a very competent shot to deliberately aim for the mouth area and hit it on target. I'm more inclined to think that they were distance shots aimed at the head, intending to kill. I don't accept that a phone call was made.