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Offline JackieD

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« Reply #1020 on: October 12, 2020, 07:08:PM »
I wasn't intending to mislead. The fact that June was in the process of giving her daughter a quarterly allowance for the 28th birthday and doing this through legal means might raise the possibility that sometime in the future the flat would also become legally hers.

Let's not distract from the bigger picture though. With Sheila and the twins dispatched and their worldly possessions put in black bin bags for the dustmen to collect the flat became Jeremy's property on 7 August 1985, along with Bourtree Cottage and £436,000 of his parents' savings.

Let’s not distract, maybe you should wonder a bit more why Jeremy is still fighting to clear his name and use the legal process to do so.
If you believe Jeremy to be innocent like me you should look at Sheila’s husband and the part in her demise
Could you answer two questions
Why did Colin allow the children to be fostered
Why did Colin lie in his media interview
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1021 on: October 12, 2020, 07:09:PM »
Isn't this all academic lookout? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-54512137





Whether or not Steve, surely at this juncture you'd go for anything so long as it kept your name in the public arena. Nobody has listened nor given him a chance to have his say in his own words for all these years, instead, the public are fed by the media, tv or in books which has been a one-sided affair now for 35 years.

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« Reply #1022 on: October 12, 2020, 07:16:PM »




Whether or not Steve, surely at this juncture you'd go for anything so long as it kept your name in the public arena. Nobody has listened nor given him a chance to have his say in his own words for all these years, instead, the public are fed by the media, tv or in books which has been a one-sided affair now for 35 years.
But why has he shunned so many legal advisors heretofore, and dumped friends when they tried to probe a little deeper into the massacre? What is the purpose of these long letters written in capitals if their contents are not going to be pursued legally but fall on deaf ears?

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« Reply #1023 on: October 12, 2020, 07:17:PM »
At least this time JB won't have that interfering old buzzard sticking his oar in !

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« Reply #1024 on: October 12, 2020, 07:23:PM »
Let’s not distract, maybe you should wonder a bit more why Jeremy is still fighting to clear his name and use the legal process to do so.
If you believe Jeremy to be innocent like me you should look at Sheila’s husband and the part in her demise
Could you answer two questions
Why did Colin allow the children to be fostered
Why did Colin lie in his media interview
I think the fostering was only for a brief period. Maybe Colin's girlfriend didn't wish to take them on, or she was working, or Colin was working on his parents' market stall and was pushed for money. I don't know. What I do know is that when it became clear to him that Sheila's illness was impacting on the boys' welfare he did step in.

As for your second question, I think Colin had the vision of the ideal family and yearned to have those times back. He suffered three bereavements don't forget. I think he wanted the Sheila he knew and loved in 1974 but was powerless to affect events as they spiralled out of his control.

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« Reply #1025 on: October 12, 2020, 07:23:PM »
At least this time JB won't have that interfering old buzzard sticking his oar in !
To whom are you alluding lookout?

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« Reply #1026 on: October 12, 2020, 08:37:PM »
I think the fostering was only for a brief period. Maybe Colin's girlfriend didn't wish to take them on, or she was working, or Colin was working on his parents' market stall and was pushed for money. I don't know. What I do know is that when it became clear to him that Sheila's illness was impacting on the boys' welfare he did step in.

As for your second question, I think Colin had the vision of the ideal family and yearned to have those times back. He suffered three bereavements don't forget. I think he wanted the Sheila he knew and loved in 1974 but was powerless to affect events as they spiralled out of his control.

What an absolute charmer
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1027 on: October 12, 2020, 09:02:PM »
What an absolute charmer
I have no idea Jackie whether this is true or not. Speaking generally it's far better to say from the outset that you don't wish to undertake childcare responsibilities than to let children know through the atmosphere created in the home that you resent their presence.
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« Reply #1028 on: October 12, 2020, 09:06:PM »
To whom are you alluding lookout?





RWB when he hit the roof at the thought of JB being de-categorised from A to C as was once suggested.

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« Reply #1029 on: October 12, 2020, 09:30:PM »
Reading Chapter 7 again I came across this:

In summer 1980, Camden social services brought a "day fostering" scheme into effect for Nicholas and Daniel. Far from fostering in the usual sense, it simply involved child-minding on a daily basis with extra support for Sheila. Twenty-three-year-old Judith Jackson, married with two children of her own, cared for the twins every weekday for a few hours. Her home near Parliament Hill fields was a fifteen minute walk for Sheila and the twins; when Judith later moved to Highgate, social services arranged transport.

Of course those wishing to go on painting Colin in a bad light, or rubbishing Carol Ann Lee's book can go on making up their own stories.

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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #1030 on: October 12, 2020, 09:35:PM »




RWB when he hit the roof at the thought of JB being de-categorised from A to C as was once suggested.

Arrogance personified. He's guilty because we say he is. Because we got the police personnel changed and they proved us right.  Watching from above, I'm sure Nevill and June are absolutely thrilled that JB was framed and imprisoned for life.  Well done Robert & Co Ltd.
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« Reply #1031 on: October 12, 2020, 09:53:PM »
Arrogance personified. He's guilty because we say he is. Because we got the police personnel changed and they proved us right.  Watching from above, I'm sure Nevill and June are absolutely thrilled that JB was framed and imprisoned for life.  Well done Robert & Co Ltd.
No, it's because Jeremy Bamber committed what he called "the perfect crime" and had everybody duped for a short time period, then some loyal diehards remained duped thereafter.

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« Reply #1032 on: October 12, 2020, 10:29:PM »
No, it's because Jeremy Bamber committed what he called "the perfect crime" and had everybody duped for a short time period, then some loyal diehards remained duped thereafter.

The point is you can’t provide ANY evidence that Jeremy is guilty
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1033 on: October 12, 2020, 11:14:PM »
The point is you can’t provide ANY evidence that Jeremy is guilty
I believe Julie, shocking as her evidence was.

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« Reply #1034 on: October 13, 2020, 01:38:PM »
I believe Julie, shocking as her evidence was.

There is no possibility Julie would have done what she did just because she was jilted. It is not even clear she was jilted.

As everyone knows, the police could not threaten to prosecute her for anything else. As they didn't know about them.
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'Only I know what really happened that night'.