Key Evidence which was Kept from Jeremy Bamber, his Legal team, and the court

[mike tesko]

Key Evidence which was Kept from Jeremy Bamber, his Legal team, and the court

What I am about to divulge, had the potential to alter the outcome of the juries verdict in this case -

(1) Essex police took a close Interest in a 12 bore shotgun, which they recovered from the gun cupboard in the downstairs office

Go to the following link to view the 12 bore shotgun which Essex police took a close interest in:-

(a) http://www.flickr.com/photos/miketeskowski/5281345418/

(2) this 12 bore shotgun, was checked for fingerprints, and found to contain the fingerprints of Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell...

(3) Essex seized a spent RAKER 12 bore cartridge case from the scene

(4) A Local Resident, Mr Smith, told the police that on the evening before the shootings, that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of whf

It now seems certain, that as part of the original investigation which was carried out under SC/688/85, Essex police were aware of a struggle which had taken place between, Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, where the shotgun may have been discharged in the kitchen at whf, at sometime between 10:15 and 10:30pm, on the evening of 6th August, 1985...

An Officers Report, may exist that deals with this incident, in which the police officer concludes that this event was part of the build up, which led to the shootings of the five victims inside whf which unraveled during the morning of 7th August 1985...

Although the local resident, Mr Smith, made a witness statement, detailing that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of the farm late on the evening of 6th August 1985, this statement was not disclosed to Jeremy Bamber, or his legal team, or brought to the attention of the jury at his trial...

[bob]

It now seems certain, that as part of the original investigation which was carried out under SC/688/85, Essex police were aware of a struggle which had taken place between, Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, where the shotgun may have been discharged in the kitchen at whf, at sometime between 10:15 and 10:30pm, on the evening of 6th August, 1985...

If a shotgun had been discharged in the kitchen then surely there would be clear material evidence to that effect - which would be amply clear on the photographs of the kitchen. I can't conceive of any way you could discharge a shotgun in my kitchen without doing a lot of obvious damage.

[Newbury1]

It now seems certain, that as part of the original investigation which was carried out under SC/688/85, Essex police were aware of a struggle which had taken place between, Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, where the shotgun may have been discharged in the kitchen at whf, at sometime between 10:15 and 10:30pm, on the evening of 6th August, 1985...

If a shotgun had been discharged in the kitchen then surely there would be clear material evidence to that effect - which would be amply clear on the photographs of the kitchen. I can't conceive of any way you could discharge a shotgun in my kitchen without doing a lot of obvious damage.

+1 - see previous post of mine!
General case dicsussion / Re evidence

Sarann - Sleuthing for justice
CHRISTMAS LETTER FROM JEREMY
"...police received information from a local resident that they heard the sound of a shotgun blast come from the general vicinity of whf on the evening prior to the shootings, in particular, a local man by the surname of [my edit], reported that he heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of the farm, between 9:30pm and 10:15pm, on the evening of 6 August 1985..."

Hartley - Well you can't have it both ways. It's been stated that shots in the house would not have been heard outside, or even heard in the kitchen if shots were fired upstairs, this was stated because it suited the theory that Sheila was still alive when the police entered the house.

Now the shots can be heard outside? Could this loud bang be from another source? Farm machinery for example.

Newbury1 - The earlier alleged blast was from a shotgun, which is much louder than a .22 rifle, and was presumably let off outside as there would have been some pretty obvious damage if it was fired with a live cartridge inside.

[Newbury1]

Key Evidence which was Kept from Jeremy Bamber, his Legal team, and the court

What I am about to divulge, had the potential to alter the outcome of the juries verdict in this case -

(1) Essex police took a close Interest in a 12 bore shotgun, which they recovered from the gun cupboard in the downstairs office

Go to the following link to view the 12 bore shotgun which Essex police took a close interest in:-

(a) http://www.flickr.com/photos/miketeskowski/5281345418/

(2) this 12 bore shotgun, was checked for fingerprints, and found to contain the fingerprints of Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell...

(3) Essex seized a spent RAKER 12 bore cartridge case from the scene

(4) A Local Resident, Mr Smith, told the police that on the evening before the shootings, that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of whf

It now seems certain, that as part of the original investigation which was carried out under SC/688/85, Essex police were aware of a struggle which had taken place between, Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, where the shotgun may have been discharged in the kitchen at whf, at sometime between 10:15 and 10:30pm, on the evening of 6th August, 1985...

An Officers Report, may exist that deals with this incident, in which the police officer concludes that this event was part of the build up, which led to the shootings of the five victims inside whf which unraveled during the morning of 7th August 1985...

Although the local resident, Mr Smith, made a witness statement, detailing that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of the farm late on the evening of 6th August 1985, this statement was not disclosed to Jeremy Bamber, or his legal team, or brought to the attention of the jury at his trial...

Mike T,

Re (a) I get the message "this member is no longer active on Flickr"

re (3) the spent RAKER 12 bore cartridge case. Where from the "scene" - the kitchen?

Was/is there any photographic evidence of a shotgun cartridge discharge in the kitchen?

Is there any reference to the shotgun incident in any paper work you have that can support your statement?

[mike tesko]

Key Evidence which was Kept from Jeremy Bamber, his Legal team, and the court

What I am about to divulge, had the potential to alter the outcome of the juries verdict in this case -

(1) Essex police took a close Interest in a 12 bore shotgun, which they recovered from the gun cupboard in the downstairs office

Go to the following link to view the 12 bore shotgun which Essex police took a close interest in:-

(a) http://www.flickr.com/photos/miketeskowski/5281345418/

(2) this 12 bore shotgun, was checked for fingerprints, and found to contain the fingerprints of Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell...

(3) Essex seized a spent RAKER 12 bore cartridge case from the scene

(4) A Local Resident, Mr Smith, told the police that on the evening before the shootings, that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of whf

It now seems certain, that as part of the original investigation which was carried out under SC/688/85, Essex police were aware of a struggle which had taken place between, Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, where the shotgun may have been discharged in the kitchen at whf, at sometime between 10:15 and 10:30pm, on the evening of 6th August, 1985...

An Officers Report, may exist that deals with this incident, in which the police officer concludes that this event was part of the build up, which led to the shootings of the five victims inside whf which unraveled during the morning of 7th August 1985...

Although the local resident, Mr Smith, made a witness statement, detailing that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of the farm late on the evening of 6th August 1985, this statement was not disclosed to Jeremy Bamber, or his legal team, or brought to the attention of the jury at his trial...

Mike T,

Re (a) I get the message "this member is no longer active on Flickr"

re (3) the spent RAKER 12 bore cartridge case. Where from the "scene" - the kitchen?

Was/is there any photographic evidence of a shotgun cartridge discharge in the kitchen?

Is there any reference to the shotgun incident in any paper work you have that can support your statement?

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[Newbury1]

Mike, Thanks for the picture.

Could you please answer the following -

Where was the Raker shotgun cartridge found by the police?

Was/is there any photographic evidence of a shotgun cartridge discharge in the kitchen?

Is there any reference to the shotgun incident in any paper work you have that can support your statement?

[guest2181]

Nope, not here Patti.

[Patti]

Nope, not here Patti.

What you on about??? 

[guest2181]

What you on about??? 

Just been doing some stalking.  :D

[Patti]

Just been doing some stalking.  :D

Special Branch on the forum eh? Schhhhhhhhh 

[Steve_uk]

I sometimes have the feeling that we're not seeing documents which had they been seen by a jury may well have swayed that one more crucial juror. It's not to say I believe Bamber innocent,just that as usual the Nanny state decides what it will and will not disclose at any given point in time.

[Patti]

I sometimes have the feeling that we're not seeing documents which had they been seen by a jury may well have swayed that one more crucial juror. It's not to say I believe Bamber innocent,just that as usual the Nanny state decides what it will and will not disclose at any given point in time.

I wish all the documents on here were filed Steve.  I doubt I have seen them all and I am sure the jury only saw a few of them compared to how many they really are. 

[scipio_usmc]

I sometimes have the feeling that we're not seeing documents which had they been seen by a jury may well have swayed that one more crucial juror. It's not to say I believe Bamber innocent,just that as usual the Nanny state decides what it will and will not disclose at any given point in time.

If you are referring to Mike's silly shotgun claims you are way off the mark. It appears he made up the claim that Sheila's prints were found on it as well as a spent casing being found period let alone in a shotgun at WHF.

The notion an alleged shotgun heard in a field somewhere hours before the murders doesn't have any bearing on the murder case.

 

[scipio_usmc]

I wish all the documents on here were filed Steve.  I doubt I have seen them all and I am sure the jury only saw a few of them compared to how many they really are. 

A lot of the documents being complained about were created after the trial so how could they have been shown to the jury?

In the meantime it is the burden of the defense attorneys to raise things to the jury that are deem relevant and important.  that is the whole point of an adversarial system. 

Most of the things raised by Jeremy supporters here only sway other Jeremy supporters and that is because they are preaching to the choir.  When one objectively looks at Mike's claims they often end up falling apart and even those claims actually true turn out to be totally irrelevant.   

[lookout]

 I knew there was more to this than met the eye.