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Offline lookout

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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2017, 08:01:PM »
How do you know it exists? Because the CT say so?





No,because EP won't say yay or nay. I wrote to them a couple of years back and they mailed me back with a list on what the costs are for searching----------so they're there alright.
Oh,and the excuse that they're not in the publics interest.

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2017, 08:02:PM »
In this online magazine,https://casebookclassiccrime.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ccc_issue6.pdf it is claimed by Ben Johnson that PC Chaplin's kept two logs which have never been disclosed.

Well, he kept one and guess what? It's on this forum!


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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2017, 08:12:PM »




No,because EP won't say yay or nay. I wrote to them a couple of years back and they mailed me back with a list on what the costs are for searching----------so they're there alright.
Oh,and the excuse that they're not in the publics interest.

NO!!! Firstly, what on earth makes you think that EP would disclose anything -one way or the other- to you? However, they did seek to remind you what the cost would be, to the public, should such a search been undertaken on your behalf.

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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2017, 08:25:PM »
NO!!! Firstly, what on earth makes you think that EP would disclose anything -one way or the other- to you? However, they did seek to remind you what the cost would be, to the public, should such a search been undertaken on your behalf.





One way or the other it told me that there were documents/files still in their possession,and that they could be acquired via a solicitor on my behalf. Of course I didn't expect such documents sent to me just like that,I knew that much.

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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2017, 08:31:PM »




One way or the other it told me that there were documents/files still in their possession,and that they could be acquired via a solicitor on my behalf. Of course I didn't expect such documents sent to me just like that,I knew that much.

Do you really believe that any police force would release, to an uninvolved, random member of Joe Public, details of a contentious case, however many solicitors were employed? They told you nothing, Lookout, other that that which you choose to believe.

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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2017, 08:58:PM »
The point is for good or ill Jeremy has run out of money and with that the fancy lawyers and the pretty birds have flown.

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2017, 09:00:PM »
Do you really believe that any police force would release, to an uninvolved, random member of Joe Public, details of a contentious case, however many solicitors were employed? They told you nothing, Lookout, other that that which you choose to believe.





Like I said,I DIDN'T expect to be told anything,so stop your nonsense. What I did learn were all of the replies they wrote to this " random member of Joe Public " were more than the 3 court orders and requests that higher-up " members of Joe Public " received !!

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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2017, 09:13:PM »




Like I said,I DIDN'T expect to be told anything,so stop your nonsense. What I did learn were all of the replies they wrote to this " random member of Joe Public " were more than the 3 court orders and requests that higher-up " members of Joe Public " received !!

Are you telling me that, whilst denying you the information you requested, they were perfectly willing to share with you that they'd told you more than those of note, who they surely must have named or you wouldn't be relaying the information to us?

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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2017, 09:38:PM »
Are you telling me that, whilst denying you the information you requested, they were perfectly willing to share with you that they'd told you more than those of note, who they surely must have named or you wouldn't be relaying the information to us?





Just a minute-------stop your fabricating for a start. Can you not understand that I said I hadn't expected them to tell me anything ? What information have I relayed to you ? NONE ! Because I haven't got any and WASN'T expecting any. You don't know how I worded my letter so why are you speaking in such a tone ?

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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2017, 10:07:PM »




Just a minute-------stop your fabricating for a start. Can you not understand that I said I hadn't expected them to tell me anything ? What information have I relayed to you ? NONE ! Because I haven't got any and WASN'T expecting any. You don't know how I worded my letter so why are you speaking in such a tone ?

In your above post you indicated that they told you more than others? Very confused!!  ???

Unless you meant that you didn't expect them to tell you more than they had told others and they didn't?

Although you did indicate that they told you more!
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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2017, 10:11:PM »




Like I said,I DIDN'T expect to be told anything,so stop your nonsense. What I did learn were all of the replies they wrote to this " random member of Joe Public " were more than the 3 court orders and requests that higher-up " members of Joe Public " received !!

Sorry for misinterpreting your words, but they appear to be saying that they told you more than they told others...............but how would you know what they'd told others? However, perhaps you meant that they told you exactly what you'd expected them to?
Yours, Very Confused :)

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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2017, 10:13:PM »
In your above post you indicated that they told you more than others? Very confused!!  ???

Unless you meant that you didn't expect them to tell you more than they had told others and they didn't?

Although you did indicate that they told you more!




NO-------stop jumping the gun. I inferred that at least I got a REPLY which was more than others have got,for all their begging and court orders.

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2017, 10:16:PM »



NO-------stop jumping the gun. I inferred that at least I got a REPLY which was more than others have got,for all their begging and court orders.

How do you know they didn't get a reply and actually you said they told you about files and documents. Why would they tell you and not offer this information after the receipt of a court order? Do you still have this letter Lookout?
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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2017, 10:18:PM »
I was acknowledged,which was MORE than the CT legal team have been------NOT--- I know more,sheesh,why don't you read things properly. ?

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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2017, 06:53:AM »
I am sure Adam will be quick to tell me there is already a thread on this topic but I dont have time to look for it so I thought I would start a new one.

On the CT website it is again throwing light on the undisclosed information.

What I don't understand is that if there is a court order for EP to disclose why do they keep making excuses about not being able to locate and ignoring the court order.

Surely this is illegal and if it is why don't they go down the legal route again. Surely they could take it to the highest court in the land. I know this costs money but wouldn't that save an awful lot of messing about. They say that withheld information would prove his innocence so surely they should get another court order and another and another until ep cough up.

This is one thing that bugs the hell out of me with EP. They are so sure he is guilty then what bloody difference would it make if they did give all the information over. Oh yes more for him to appeal against sloppy police work. but surely this should be given. IMO it is a disgrace that EP do not hand over ALL information and be done with it.

Yes there have been other threads on this. As you said you don't have the time to look.

Appreciate that if supporters cannot find any new evidence, they will bring this up.
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