Witheld Docs

[notsure]

I am sure Adam will be quick to tell me there is already a thread on this topic but I dont have time to look for it so I thought I would start a new one.

On the CT website it is again throwing light on the undisclosed information.

What I don't understand is that if there is a court order for EP to disclose why do they keep making excuses about not being able to locate and ignoring the court order.

Surely this is illegal and if it is why don't they go down the legal route again. Surely they could take it to the highest court in the land. I know this costs money but wouldn't that save an awful lot of messing about. They say that withheld information would prove his innocence so surely they should get another court order and another and another until ep cough up.

This is one thing that bugs the hell out of me with EP. They are so sure he is guilty then what bloody difference would it make if they did give all the information over. Oh yes more for him to appeal against sloppy police work. but surely this should be given. IMO it is a disgrace that EP do not hand over ALL information and be done with it.

[lookout]

There have been 3 court orders in all,so EP obviously think that they are above the law. The longer they ignore these orders,the more you can guarantee there's something they don't want anyone to see/read or they'd have been shown at the original trial if they'd been in the prosecutions favour.

[Jane]

There have been 3 court orders in all,so EP obviously think that they are above the law. The longer they ignore these orders,the more you can guarantee there's something they don't want anyone to see/read or they'd have been shown at the original trial if they'd been in the prosecutions favour.

Jeremy has said to several different people on several different occasions that he has all the information he needs. If this is so, how can EP -or anyone else- produce something they don't have? MORE! How can they prove, if it doesn't exist, that they haven't got it?

[lookout]

Jeremy has said to several different people on several different occasions that he has all the information he needs. If this is so, how can EP -or anyone else- produce something they don't have? MORE! How can they prove, if it doesn't exist, that they haven't got it?

HE might have all the information that HE needs,but it's not to say that there isn't more.
All EP have to say is that they have no more info-------is that so difficult ? To continue ignoring everyone who's written to them speaks volumes to me.

[Jane]

HE might have all the information that HE needs,but it's not to say that there isn't more.
All EP have to say is that they have no more info-------is that so difficult ? To continue ignoring everyone who's written to them speaks volumes to me.

I don't follow your reasoning, Lookout. SURELY, if they'd been capable of the massive and deliberate lie you and Mike are accusing them of, they'd be unlikely to back away from a lesser lie which would give credence to the original one.

[lookout]

I don't follow your reasoning, Lookout. SURELY, if they'd been capable of the massive and deliberate lie you and Mike are accusing them of, they'd be unlikely to back away from a lesser lie which would give credence to the original one.

I'll put my " reasoning " in a more simplified manner :

If someone was writing to you and generally pestering you for something you KNEW that you hadn't got,would you ignore their requests or tell them all that you haven't got what they're asking for ?

[Caroline]

I'll put my " reasoning " in a more simplified manner :

If someone was writing to you and generally pestering you for something you KNEW that you hadn't got,would you ignore their requests or tell them all that you haven't got what they're asking for ?

How do you know they haven't?

[Caroline]

I am sure Adam will be quick to tell me there is already a thread on this topic but I dont have time to look for it so I thought I would start a new one.

On the CT website it is again throwing light on the undisclosed information.

What I don't understand is that if there is a court order for EP to disclose why do they keep making excuses about not being able to locate and ignoring the court order.

Surely this is illegal and if it is why don't they go down the legal route again. Surely they could take it to the highest court in the land. I know this costs money but wouldn't that save an awful lot of messing about. They say that withheld information would prove his innocence so surely they should get another court order and another and another until ep cough up.

This is one thing that bugs the hell out of me with EP. They are so sure he is guilty then what bloody difference would it make if they did give all the information over. Oh yes more for him to appeal against sloppy police work. but surely this should be given. IMO it is a disgrace that EP do not hand over ALL information and be done with it.

How do you know they haven't?

[Jane]

I'll put my " reasoning " in a more simplified manner :

If someone was writing to you and generally pestering you for something you KNEW that you hadn't got,would you ignore their requests or tell them all that you haven't got what they're asking for ?

Lookout, I ignore everything -addressed to me, personally- I don't want to respond to. One of the first rules in counselling is that the moment you respond, you've become involved. May I hazard a guess that if you received such a letter, you'd probably call them liars, because you'd rather believe that the information you're certain they're holding, is the key to Jeremy's release?

[notsure]

Jeremy has said to several different people on several different occasions that he has all the information he needs. If this is so, how can EP -or anyone else- produce something they don't have? MORE! How can they prove, if it doesn't exist, that they haven't got it?

Yes Jane he has as I understand it but as this is ongoing and millions of pages of documentation to look through its is developing all the time with references to docs that they don't have. So they didn't know these docs existed but now they do, plus there is all the original docs from initial investigation. Plus the stuff that ep say they can't locate.

I'm not sure why you are saying this stuff doesn't exist when it clearly does.

[notsure]

How do you know they haven't?

almost isn't everything anc more has come to light since he wrote that

[Caroline]

almost isn't everything anc more has come to light since he wrote that

Of course it has. 

[notsure]

Lookout, I ignore everything -addressed to me, personally- I don't want to respond to. One of the first rules in counselling is that the moment you respond, you've become involved. May I hazard a guess that if you received such a letter, you'd probably call them liars, because you'd rather believe that the information you're certain they're holding, is the key to Jeremy's release?

but would you ignore it if there was a court order saying you should release it.

[Caroline]

Yes Jane he has as I understand it but as this is ongoing and millions of pages of documentation to look through its is developing all the time with references to docs that they don't have. So they didn't know these docs existed but now they do, plus there is all the original docs from initial investigation. Plus the stuff that ep say they can't locate.

I'm not sure why you are saying this stuff doesn't exist when it clearly does.

How do you know it exists? Because the CT say so?

[Jane]

but would you ignore it if there was a court order saying you should release it.

I imagine that the Courts have more authority than do the police, and that by now, IF it's true that they've ignored the Court directive on THREE occasions, that Court would have resorted to something, which is always at their disposal, in order to gain that which they require.............they'd have instructed balifs.