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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2017, 09:35:AM »
Notes
West puts JB on hold - 3.25am
West takes JB off hold - 3.33am


West makes two calls while Jeremy is on hold. (West's trial transcript)
Pc West also said at trial that the two calls combined took him about three minutes, yet you're suggesting Jeremy was on hold for about 8 minutes.

The police knew quite early on that Pc West had written 03:36 as the time of Jeremy's call, as mike tesko found a police note that showed they had made copies of the audio tape used in the HQIR. Why make copies, but then supposedly not use them? The tapes would have revealed when Pc West called Bonnett and what was said by both, making the later investigations of the accuracy of police clocks unnecessary.

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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2017, 10:41:AM »
Pc West also said at trial that the two calls combined took him about three minutes, yet you're suggesting Jeremy was on hold for about 8 minutes.

The police knew quite early on that Pc West had written 03:36 as the time of Jeremy's call, as mike tesko found a police note that showed they had made copies of the audio tape used in the HQIR. Why make copies, but then supposedly not use them? The tapes would have revealed when Pc West called Bonnett and what was said by both, making the later investigations of the accuracy of police clocks unnecessary.

I think it has already been written several times that those tapes were only kept for something like 28 days.
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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2017, 10:57:AM »
I think it has already been written several times that those tapes were only kept for something like 28 days.





I have read somewhere,quite some time ago, that those tapes had been copied. A thread on here is where I got that info from. 

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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2017, 11:13:AM »




I have read somewhere,quite some time ago, that those tapes had been copied. A thread on here is where I got that info from.

There are lots of things posted on here that aren't true so unless there is an official source we can't take it as being credible.
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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2017, 11:16:AM »
According to the section of the OS about Nevill's (alleged) call to the police, "Malcolm Bonnett claimed in his 16 December statement that all police calls were recorded onto audio tape [14]. According to a letter from the ICO, Essex Police destroyed the audio tapes after twenty-eight days[15]. This was probably standard practice unless the defence team requested the tapes, but Jeremy was not arrested until after this twenty-eight day period had expired. However, documents released to the defence team show that tapes of the calls were copied after 12 September 1985 (action 146)[16]. This action was carried out, and was recorded on report number 123, which is also dated 12 September 1985[17]. Although these tapes were supposed to have been destroyed on 7 September, this could not have occurred since copies were made of these calls after this date."

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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2017, 11:27:AM »
According to the section of the OS about Nevill's (alleged) call to the police, "Malcolm Bonnett claimed in his 16 December statement that all police calls were recorded onto audio tape [14]. According to a letter from the ICO, Essex Police destroyed the audio tapes after twenty-eight days[15]. This was probably standard practice unless the defence team requested the tapes, but Jeremy was not arrested until after this twenty-eight day period had expired. However, documents released to the defence team show that tapes of the calls were copied after 12 September 1985 (action 146)[16]. This action was carried out, and was recorded on report number 123, which is also dated 12 September 1985[17]. Although these tapes were supposed to have been destroyed on 7 September, this could not have occurred since copies were made of these calls after this date."

Can you please post a link to your source Reader?
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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2017, 12:33:PM »
Can you please post a link to your source Reader?

Not 100% certain but It's ringing a bell with the disclosure booklet.
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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2017, 12:49:PM »
It's not difficult to find.

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

Ah, so no document, just an account from the OS.
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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2017, 04:08:PM »
http://simplebooklet.com/disclosurebookletjeremybamber

Some of the audio recordings in the case are mentioned in here - and I think there's one or two documents depicted that refer to them. 

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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2017, 04:55:PM »
http://simplebooklet.com/disclosurebookletjeremybamber

Some of the audio recordings in the case are mentioned in here - and I think there's one or two documents depicted that refer to them.

Yes, but this is just CT stuff Roch, I don't trust them. I could say that I know EP had a confession in writing from Sheila Cafell and they are withholding it. Of course I'm making it up but who would be any the wiser except me and EP? I could just keep claiming it but in the end, they can't provide what they don't have and you can't really prove that you don't have it because there will always be people who think 'no smoke without fire'. Unless there is an official list not linked to the CT, I will remain skeptical.
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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2017, 07:00:PM »
Pc West also said at trial that the two calls combined took him about three minutes, yet you're suggesting Jeremy was on hold for about 8 minutes.

The police knew quite early on that Pc West had written 03:36 as the time of Jeremy's call, as mike tesko found a police note that showed they had made copies of the audio tape used in the HQIR. Why make copies, but then supposedly not use them? The tapes would have revealed when Pc West called Bonnett and what was said by both, making the later investigations of the accuracy of police clocks unnecessary.

I think PC West is the reason everything is a mess. If you ignore everything from PC west. Then make all the times for him based on everyone else's times everything adds up. If you go by PC Wests times nothing adds up.

I think west is the weakest link here. He is just bad at recording times.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 07:02:PM by David1819 »

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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2017, 09:21:PM »
That doesn't explain why his note of Sheila's age is different from Bonnett's note of Sheila's age.

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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2017, 09:26:PM »
That doesn't explain why his note of Sheila's age is different from Bonnett's note of Sheila's age.

It does because West stated that Jeremy was unsure of her age, he must have said "about 26/27"
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Re: Standard Chelmsford police phone call procedure in 1985.
« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2017, 09:27:PM »
Then why did Pc West not pass on "about 26 or 27" to Bonnett?