After He called police at 3.36am, Jeremy was put on hold immediately for 5 min's

[Jane]

It's been well documented about her smuggling drugs back from Canada.Something that JB hadn't known about until after their relationship developed.
Who knows what she'd been up to before meeting JB. Wasn't she also in France where it was alleged that she got raped ?

That would be well documented by WHOM, Lookout? Prior to meeting Jeremy she was in full time education. Students don't normally have sufficient cash -her family weren't wealthy- to take trips to Canada. NOBODY knows what she did before she met Jeremy but you've clearly decided it has to be illegal or dirty.

[mike tesko]

Mike, Bamber said Nevill called him at 3:10am. If the timing of Nevilles call had been at this time, you would then have Jeremy trying to call Neville back twice and getting an engaged tone. You would have Jeremy then trying to contact Witham police station 3 minutes later (around 3.14am), followed by his call to Julie at 3.15am, followed by Jeremys call to the police I presume you are suggesting at 3.26am. This would be problematic, because there was I as understand it only a maximum of 10 minutes duration between Jeremy receiving Nevilles call and Jeremy calling Chelmsford police station, which had ordered and structured events built into that overall 10 minute period. You will appreciate there being a vastly increased time period of the accepted 10 minute duration, increasing by some additional 6 minutes providing an overall period between Nevilles call to Jeremy, and Jeremys call to Chelmsford police station, in particular PC West of 16 minutes. Of course this produces the type of chaos I was trying to draw everyones attention to, since obviously a call by Neville to Jeremy at 3.10am does not sit accurately in sequence with all the structured events (1) to (19). Of course, Jeremy could have been lying about the timing of his call at that time, or as the case may be, DC Clarke introduced the time as an estimate because Jeremy could not be specific about the exact time. Another problem as we have seen, is that the appellate court accepted that the occupants of CA07 had been deployed to the incident prior to the police receiving any information at all from Jeremy, and CA07 was deployed to the scene at 3.35am, and so are you really asking me to believe that Jeremy made his call to police at 3.26am, and that the occupants had not been deployed to the scene prior to Jeremy contacting the police at all, they had been deployed there afterwards? What is one to do, when there exist certain, as it were timed events upon which we can all hang our hats without disquiet? Court of Appeal was satisfied though somewhat bewildered that the occupants of CA07 had been deployed to the incident prior to Jeremy's call to Chelmsford, and in particular, to PC West?

If Nevill had time to  call Bamber, then the police straight afterwards, surely Nevill had time to say more than 11 words to Bamber. Maybe not. Since neville had possibly tried to contact his local police at Witham at event (2) only to have not got a response because of event (1), so he decides to let Jeremy know whats happenning, intending to keep the call to Jeremy short, because he wanted to phone headquarters at Chelmsford (3.26am. One thing is certain, and that is that Neville kept what he had to say to the police short and to the point. The reason for that/this may well have been that he was drawn away from the telephone by happennings elsewhere upstaits in the farmhouse, or even downstairs in the kitchen. In any event, the phone was subsequently left of the hook, but not neccessarily as it was later shown to be on the kitchen worktop, because DCI Harris used the kitchen phone to call ACC Peter Simpson between 8.15am and 8.30am after Sheila had disappeared from the kitchen...

Why didn't Nevill or Bamber call 999 ? that is something I can't answer, but rest assured that they both did phone the police at different times...

Chelmsford were able to get through to Witham straight away. If Chelmsford had tried to ring Witham police station at any stage between before 3.25am and 3.34am, there would not have been anyone there to answer their call, because the only officers on duty there that night were Bews, Myall and Saxby, who had been called out on another job, which they didn't return back to Witham from, until 3.34am, or there abouts...

[lookout]

That would be well documented by WHOM, Lookout? Prior to meeting Jeremy she was in full time education. Students don't normally have sufficient cash -her family weren't wealthy- to take trips to Canada. NOBODY knows what she did before she met Jeremy but you've clearly decided it has to be illegal or dirty.

NGB can verify this.Documents are in the PII dept. Importing and supplying.

[Jane]

NGB can verify this.Documents are in the PII dept. Importing and supplying.

Are you saying that NGB is privy to -has READ- those things held under PPI?

[lookout]

Are you saying that NGB is privy to -has READ- those things held under PPI?

I'm saying that NGB was aware of her importing drugs for the purpose of selling them.

[Jane]

I'm saying that NGB was aware of her importing drugs for the purpose of selling them.

Then I'll await his confirmation. I have the feeling that MUCH of what NGB has to say becomes, whatever the relayer of his words, wishes them to convey.

[lookout]

I don't remember any complaints emanating from JM as she supped her champagne and enjoyed lobster bought,or helped with the proceeds of ill-gotten gains. So she too liked the high life whatever it took !!

[Jane]

I don't remember any complaints emanating from JM as she supped her champagne and enjoyed lobster bought,or helped with the proceeds of ill-gotten gains. So she too liked the high life whatever it took !!

What complaints would you expect to hear from a girl who was besotted with her boyfriend and the life he appeared to be offering?

[lookout]

What complaints would you expect to hear from a girl who was besotted with her boyfriend and the life he appeared to be offering?

Besotted with money more like,as it was proven.

[Jane]

Besotted with money more like,as it was proven.

She MAY have been, but it would have been Jeremy who led her to believe such was available.............but this isn't about Julie.

[lookout]

She MAY have been, but it would have been Jeremy who led her to believe such was available.............but this isn't about Julie.

Christ,I give up.

[Jane]

Christ,I give up.

That'll be the day. Go have a cup of tea and a cigarette

[mike tesko]

The 5 minute delay at the beginning of Jeremy's 10 minute call to Chelmsford police station proves a piece of very compelling evidence in support of the case for Jeremy's call being received at 3.36am, after the deployment of the occupants of CA07 to the scene at 3.35am...

[mike tesko]

The 5 minute delay at the beginning of Jeremy's 10 minute call to Chelmsford police station proves a piece of very compelling evidence in support of the case for Jeremy's call being received at 3.36am, after the deployment of the occupants of CA07 to the scene at 3.35am...

PC Wests admission during his court appearence at Jeremy's October 1986 Crown Court trial, that he had been in contact with Malcom Bonnett before he received Jeremy's call at 3.36am. He could not remember what he spoke to Bonnet about on that earlier occasion. He could not remember whether or not he contacted him, on that occasion by way of the telephone exchange line, or by radio. I can solve the mystery, PC West spoke to Malcom Bonnet via the exchange line at 3.26am. At that time the event which PC West claimed he could not remember talking to him about, were the contents of Neville Bambers 3.26am, recorded by PC Bonnet in his (C1) Communications log...

I can show this by reference to a series of edited log contents, showing the additions which Bonnett made to his log, as and when new information came to light. Lets start at the beginning of the (C1) Communications log, as follows...

The Occupants of CA07 (Bews, Myall, and Saxby) were deployed to the incident at whf, based upon the information provided to the police by Neville Bamber (below)...

[mike tesko]

Much later, once PC West got to acually speak to Jeremy (after 5 minutes delay in Jeremy's 3.36am, call also to Chelmsford police station)...

Here is the insert which Malcom Bonnett added into Neville Bambers 3.26am (C1) Communications log, once PC West had spoken to Jeremy Bamber, and Bamber himself, had arrived at the scene and had given the occupants of CA07 information about the collection of guns held by Neville Bamber inside the farmhouse...