Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn

[Stephanie]

I have no idea who Miss xxx is, and would not associate myself with her comments. There is nothing, anywhere, and there never has been, to suggest I have or have had any intention to damage Stephanie Hall, or, indeed, anyone.

Miss Bon

http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/re-simon-hall-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/

Yet you sat back and did nothing when Simon Hall's guilt was being exposed back in early 2013? You sat back and did nothing when it became apparent Simon Hall had hidden information from the authorities (re the Zenith burglary) and indeed most of us and had misled the public about "facts," etc..

I don't understand your logic Sandra?

At that time, I asked you to help and come out and publicly support Simon's innocence but you refused and stated on the 3rd February 2013:

"I refer to your recent communications with me, your posts on the Bamber forum, and our previous exchanges.

While I appreciate that fighting a MOJ is an uphill struggle, and a steep learning curve, there are some "mistakes" which cannot be explained as ignorance, enthusiastic but misguided belief, or any of the other well trodden routes most people take on their journey towards justice.

I personally believe that your recent online behaviour, the way you handled Simon's confession to the other burglary, and the consequent attacks of Shaun and Stephanie Bon have all been detrimental to public support for Simon. The letter, supposedly from Simon, was a disgraceful slap in the face to many, many people who have tried to help Simon over the years.

I was a victim Sandra, a victim of a man who was both highly disturbed and indeed dangerous. I couldn't see the wood through the trees. My enthusiastic belief was indeed misguided and I was indeed ignorant to psychopathy and varying personality disorders.

[JackiePreece]

You have manipulated the facts, used your ability to mislead and attempted to project your character flaws on to me.

Extremely devious Sandra!

Not particularly intelligent, utterly transparent, and, if I were so inclined, I'd even say, a little say! 

Disgraceful personal attack on Sanda

[sandra L]

Manipulating the facts?

Stephanie posted

On the 8th August 2013 Dr Sandra Lean stated:

"I heard, at around 2pm this afternoon, the news that Simon had confessed

"I am thinking of you both this evening, and everything I have said in the past regarding Simon's case still stands

What the email actually said was:

I heard, at around 2pm this afternoon, the news that Simon had "confessed his guilt."
(note the inverted commas)
I don't want to say too much by email, but I wanted you to know that I am thinking of you both this evening, and everything I have said in the past regarding Simon's case still stands. Many of the others I have spoken with today feel the same way.

Clearly, from the moment I heard about the confession, and from my first contact with Stephanie regarding it, I was questioning its validity (which I made even clearer in my next communication.) I also made it clear in both communications that I was not the only one with such questions.

However, this thread has demonstrated quite clearly that Stephanie is more than willing to cherry pick parts of communications, or to alter them, or both, to make it look as if they support her claims, just as she did all those years ago with the facebook post. Remember, Stephanie openly admitted to taking one of my posts, altering its content, then posting it (in its altered form) elsewhere as if it was the original post. She did so to make it look like I was one of a number of people she perceived to be "attacking" her "behind the scenes" knowing I was not.

Stephanie's "quotes" cannot be trusted - I believe that has been proven to be the case. However, it will become extremely tedious if I'm to respond to every quote attributed to me with the actual original wording, so I'm not going to do so any more.

As for the title of this thread, and my book, I have given my answers, and, again, we'd just be re-hashing old ground in order to indulge Stephanie's  opinion (to which, of course, she is absolutely entitled).

[Stephanie]

She did so to make it look like I was one of a number of people she perceived to be "attacking" her "behind the scenes" knowing I was not.

To make it clear Sandra, and with hindsight, that is exactly what you were doing. It's what people like you do - exploit, mistreat and abuse/attack people who are in vulnerable situations.

It's evidenced in both yours and Billy Middleton's 2010 & 2013 publications on the Wronglyaccusedperson website and indeed other communications.

"Psychological manipulation can be defined as the exercise of undue influence through mental distortion and emotional exploitation, with the intention to seize power, control, benefits and/or privileges at the victim’s expense.

It is important to distinguish healthy social influence from psychological manipulation. Healthy social influence occurs between most people, and is part of the give and take of constructive relationships. In psychological manipulation, one person is used for the benefit of another. The manipulator deliberately creates an imbalance of power, and exploits the victim to serve his or her agenda.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/communication-success/201510/14-signs-psychological-and-emotional-manipulation

[JackiePreece]

To make it clear Sandra, and with hindsight, that is exactly what you were doing. It's what people like you do - exploit, mistreat and abuse/attack people who are in vulnerable situations.

It's evidenced in both yours and Billy Middleton's 2010 & 2013 publications on the Wronglyaccusedperson website and indeed other communications.

"Psychological manipulation can be defined as the exercise of undue influence through mental distortion and emotional exploitation, with the intention to seize power, control, benefits and/or privileges at the victim’s expense.





It is important to distinguish healthy social influence from psychological manipulation. Healthy social influence occurs between most people, and is part of the give and take of constructive relationships. In psychological manipulation, one person is used for the benefit of another. The manipulator deliberately creates an imbalance of power, and exploits the victim to serve his or her agenda.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/communication-success/201510/14-signs-psychological-and-emotional-manipulation


I have reported this personal attack to the moderators
This is against forum rule
You should be banned immediately
You are a disgrace

[Stephanie]

As usual Sandra you are quick to criticise others and dish out meaningless advice.

However, this is both intellectually lazy and suggests a poor lack of insight on your part.

I am more than happy to disclose the actual, factual details regarding the events of October 2010 onwards and am more than happy to show how and why I have reached the conclusions I have.

It may interest you all to know that in Sandra's "other life," she suggests she specialises in helping people with issues of low self esteem, confidence, and the effects of bullying

Further Sandra, I have concluded the verbal communications between us following both Simon Hall's confession and indeed  death were nothing more than fishing expeditions. Your posts here since then confirm this.

[JackiePreece]

Further Sandra, I have concluded the verbal communications between us following both Simon Hall's confession and indeed  death were nothing more than fishing expeditions. Your posts here since then confirm this.

Instead of throwing abuse at Sandra and Nugnug I suggest you go out and get a job like everyone else then we can all get on and discuss the Jeremy Bamber case

[nugnug]

stephny was seaman found at the crime scene in the simon hall case yes or no.

[guest7363]

Further Sandra, I have concluded the verbal communications between us following both Simon Hall's confession and indeed  death were nothing more than fishing expeditions. Your posts here since then confirm this.

Hi Steph, it must have been really hard dealing with Simon's death and his confession, you have my deepest sympathy and it's a credit how you have come through all this.  Have you ever thought of writing a book yourself or approaching tv how you had to deal with all this trauma and internet and family abuse?  I for one have found your story fascinating, there is a Bamber topic for any one not wishing to read or debate with you.

[nugnug]

was seaman found scene steph please confirm or refute this.

[Caroline]

was seaman found scene steph please confirm or refute this.

There were defo no sailors found at the scene so I suspect you mean semen? However, I don't think Steph has ever indicated that the victim was raped and simply because there was no semen, doesn't mean the crime wasn't sexually motivated.

[Stephanie]

stephny was seaman found at the crime scene in the simon hall case yes or no.

was seaman found scene steph please confirm or refute this.

When Billy Middleton moved in with Sandra Lean in November 2010, why did he leave his cigarette's burning in the ashtrays and show no care or concern of the possible consequences of his actions?
 

[nugnug]

There were defo no sailors found at the scene so I suspect you mean semen? However, I don't think Steph has ever indicated that the victim was raped and simply because there was no semen, doesn't mean the crime wasn't sexually motivated.

i dident ask weather the crime was sexauly motivated i asked weather sperm was found and its a very easy qustion to answer.

[guest7363]

When Billy Middleton moved in with Sandra Lean in November 2010, why did he leave his cigarette's burning in the ashtrays and show no care or concern of the possible consequences of his actions?

Seems strange that two separate fires started Steph, surely that cannot be coincidence?  Didn't know that Billy moved in with Sandra, was he supplying drinks to underage girls as well?  What's that about a sexual charge?  Something not right here.

[Stephanie]

i dident ask weather the crime was sexauly motivated i asked weather sperm was found and its a very easy qustion to answer.

On the last night of his whirlwind romance with Sandra Lean (end of 2010), why was Billy Middleton allegedly found covered in blood - somewhere in Edinburgh- after an argument with Sandra? What were his injuries and how were they caused? Apparently he went home with facial cuts/bruising? Surely someone else noticed them?