Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:

[Adam]

In my view, the earlier Nevill called Bamber, the better. As it gives Sheila more time to do everything.

A 3:10am call gives her 38 minutes, providing Nevill did not call the police.

[JackiePreece]

In my view, the earlier Nevill called Bamber, the better. As it gives Sheila more time to do everything.

A 3:10am call gives her 38 minutes, providing Nevill did not call the police.

Pure speculation

[David1819]

There is no question there was a brutal fight for life. The kitchen scene and Nevill's horrific injuries show this. Threads already created.

Anyway, my question was what time do you think Nevill rang Bamber. Bearing in mind the 18 things on my list would take over an hour for Sheila to do.

I will generously agree the massacre started directly after Nevill hung up.

Feel free to remove some of the things on the list. They are claims made by supporters.


In my view, the earlier Nevill called Bamber, the better. As it gives Sheila more time to do everything.

A 3:10am call gives her 38 minutes, providing Nevill did not call the police. Which is possible providing several things on my list are removed. However it does not explain what Bamber himself was doing between 3:10am - 3:26/36am.

You have not explained the evidence. You have ignored it.

[guest7363]

Bews asked Jeremy why his father had rang him and not the police?  Bews had no idea about any call regarding his father and if so would have mentioned it.

[lookout]

Bews chose not to seek the real truth. On video to the trained eye of recognising a liar------it isn't difficult to spot,by his body language for starters besides what comes out of his mouth.

[Caroline]

Bews chose not to seek the real truth. On video to the trained eye of recognising a liar------it isn't difficult to spot,by his body language for starters besides what comes out of his mouth.

You don't have a 'trained eye' 

[Stephanie]

Bews chose not to seek the real truth. On video to the trained eye of recognising a liar------it isn't difficult to spot,by his body language for starters besides what comes out of his mouth.

Interestingly when Jackie learned Simon Hall had burgled she appeared to be on a mission to call him a liar to whoever would listen. And what she omits from her posts when referring to him as a liar is that she only started calling him a liar when she learned of the Zenith burglary, which was over 6 months before his confession.

Yet she refuses to acknowledge Jeremy Bamber is also a liar - he also burgled!

This shows double standards and shows her argument is baseless

[lookout]

Interestingly when Jackie learned Simon Hall had burgled she appeared to be on a mission to call him a liar to whoever would listen. And what she omits from her posts when referring to him as a liar is that she only started calling him a liar when she learned of the burglary, which was over 6 months before his confession.

Yet she refuses to acknowledge Jeremy Bamber is also a liar - he also burgled!

This shows double standards and shows her argument is baseless

Nothing to do with me.

[Stephanie]

Nothing to do with me.

Oh but is was a few posts back when you claimed to Jackie that no one is misleading you.

Jackie is misleading you! Yet you appear to purposely ignore this fact, preferring to carry on regardless. Not unlike several other posters

[Adam]

You have not explained the evidence. You have ignored it.

What evidence  ?

I asked a simple question - 'what time do you think Nevill called Bamber ?

This was after you're post - ' 163' which questioned Bamber's own time he put on his WS.

So far you have not answered.

[lookout]

Oh but is was a few posts back when you claimed to Jackie that no one is misleading you.

Jackie is misleading you!

Nobody misleads me.My mind is stronger than that ! What a ridiculous remark.

[Stephanie]

Nobody misleads me.My mind is stronger than that ! What a ridiculous remark.

If this is true why don't you pull her up on it?

Jackie would not accept the burglary omission in the SH case when we were claiming we believed it would clear his name. Jackie appears to be using the same approach now as we used then. I am calling her out on her double standards.

How does Bamber differ to Hall? Jeremy stage managed the burglary to make it look like someone else did, Hall did not.

[lookout]

If this is true why don't you pull her up on it?

 Jackie would not accept the burglary omission in the SH case when we were claiming we believer it would clear his name. Jackie appears to be using the same approach now as we used then. I am calling her out on her double standards.

How dies Bamber differ to Hall? Jeremy stage managed the burglary to make it look like someone else did, Hall did not.

Why should I pull her up just to appease you ? She's done nothing to me. You don't like harmony do you ??

I'm NOT interested in SH,what he did or didn't do,how he behaved,how he compares with JB,etc etc.
I'm sick of hearing about it------------this is the JB forum and if you must keep harping on go to your own thread on high-profile because that's what it's for isn't it ? You're also always on about me " projecting " well it's the VERY thing that you do-------or is yours different ?
You're quick enough pulling me up if I dare veer off a subject,so the same should apply to you.

[mike tesko]

What time do you believe Nevill phoned Bamber ? Nevilles call to Jeremy was at around 3.25am, proveable by reference to the fact that the occupants of CA07 were deployed to the incident at whf (3.35am) a fact accepted by the appellate court judgement, which ajudged that Bews, Myall and Saxby were deployed to the event prior to Jeremy making his (3.36am) call to Chelmsford police station. How could the occupants of CA07 and CA05 both have been sent to whf prior to Jeremy getting an opportunity to even speak to PC West until 5 minutes into the call (3.41am) he made to PC West at 3.36am, by which time CA07 (3.35am) and CA05 (3.36am) were already en route to the incident. Logic dictates that the occupants of CA07 and CA05 acted upon information given to police by a different source than Jeremy Bamber. That person, or that source could have only been information passed to the police by Neville Bamber at 3.26am. It is useless anyone trying to suggest that Jeremy contacted the police at 3.26am, or that Nevilles (C1) log, is a record of what Jeremy told PC West, who in turn told Malcom Bonnett, useless because had Jeremy made the earlier call the occupants of CA07 could not have been deployed to the farmhouse before Jeremy contacted the police. In addition, Jeremy could not have called Julie at 3.30am, or tried to contact Witham police station only to get no response a minute or so previously...

Don't forget it would have taken Sheila 1 hour - 75 minutes to do everything she certainly did, or what supporters claim she did. I am not convinced that nobody had already been shot by the time Neville called Jeremy at around 3.25am, or by the time Neville made his call to the police at 3.26am. I suspect that both child victims could have already been dispensed with. I say this because as far as I am concerned the silhoetted figure seen moving around inside the main bedroom on the first floor by Bews, Myall and Jeremy, was obviously, either June Bamber, Sheila Caffell, or Neville Bamber, himself. I don't beleive Bews account that what they saw was 'a trick of light'. He's talking absolute bollocks, and he knows he is. Jeremy told me the figure was adult, but he could not tell who the person was, he could not tell from what he saw from his vantage point, whether it was his mum, his dad, or his sister. Bews literally crapped in his trousers as they all dashed back to the patrol car which was being manned by PS Saxby parked up in Pages Lane outside the farm cottages. Jeremy recalls that Bews told his colleagues upon arriving back at the patrol vehicle that he had literally 'shit in his trousers', and the other two police officers jokingly took the piss out of him for having done that. Not to mention the stench being ommitted whilst Bews sent out a request for the firearm team to be deployed via the police radio fitted inside the police vehicle. Bews did not request the attendance of firearm officers because of 'a trick of light', he did so because he believed at that stage that the person they had been observing may have been armed with a loaded weapon. How astonishing that by 7.15am, WPC Jeapes and PC Brown should both see a rifle leaning at a first floor window? Similarly, how PC Bird had photographed the same rifle resting against the very same window via which the Bews, Myall and Bamber sighting of the figure had been seen?  PC Bird photographed the rifle against the main bedroom in photograph No. 23, which was taken oprior to DC Oakey photographing the same rifle on Sheila's body in photograph No. 25 (which shows the barrel of the rifle resting at that stage with its barrel against the left hand side of Sheila's throat). Then PC Bird took several other photographs which show the rifle in the possession of Sheila's body, as per photograph No.'s 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33. Clearly, cops had brought the rifle from the main bedroom window and placed it upon Sheila's body. They need to explain why they did this. That rifle, was the only rifle found anywhere upstairs on the first floor of the farmhouse. What interests me is the journey it took between 7.15am and 10am, from its original position at the box room window on the first floor (to which Jeapes and Brown refer), to it being photographed at the main bedroom window in photograph No. 23, prior to DC Oakey (25) and PC Bird (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33) photographing the very same rifle along with and in possession of Sheila Caffells body? That's some journey that rifle took from the box room window at 7.15am, to the main bedroom window by around 10am, and then onto Sheila's body, thereafter. You do not need to be someone who favours Jeremy Bambers innocence in these murders, to realise that he has been framed by the police for committing these murders in a particular way or manner, which could not possibly have been true. Even Guilters, or anybody with good and honest intentions must know that the case against drug dealer, burglar Bamber, was a dishonest one. Everyone must be convinced that he could not have shot and killed his sister on the main bedroom floor, and staged her death scene with the rifle from this first floor window, or that first floor window. The only rifle found upstairs at the farmhouse which found its way onto SHeila's body in time for DC Oakey, and PC Bird to photograph it in Sheila's possession after 10am, was much earlier resting against the box room window elsewhere on the first floor of the farmhouse...

Everyone would have still been alive when Nevill phoned.

[David1819]

What evidence  ?

This evidence. Never mind about times of phone calls. Lets focus on the major issues.

Fact - Neville's left arm had a comminuted fracture making it impossible to use or move. So how does Neville put up this epic fight you portray with only being able to use one arm?

Fact - The mess in the Kitchen was caused by the raid team. Thus there was no mess prior to the police entry. So how did the epic fight manage to happen and not cause a mess?