Re - Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:

[Stephanie]

Which of the claims are in question Steph?

  all of them are Bambers attempts to hide behind his guilt..

[David1819]

all of them are Bambers attempts to hide behind his guilt..

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. 

[Stephanie]

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. 

It was you who mentioned McDonnell. I merely asserted with evidence how your previous post could be dismissed.

[mike tesko]

Herbert MacDonnell http://www.weny.com/news/All/herb-macdonell-more-charges-122112

https://www.channel4.com/news/jeremy-bamber-new-evidence-will-set-me-free

And each time Bamber comes out with a new claim, its shows his inconsistencies. Even he can't keep up with own previous claims:

"• Photographs which his lawyers allege show that the gun was moved

• One police officer described having no memory of the gun being at the crime scene

• Inconsistencies in the blood-spatter evidence

• X-rays revealing bullets which were presented whole at trial had broken up on impact

Now its his alibi... as per letter to Trudi

What an awful approach for anyone to take, in light of the latest developments. Gun was moved by cops, no memory of gun being  with body, inconsistencies involving blood spatter, x-ray revealing badly fragmented bullet grew into a whole bullet to enable dishonest prosecution ballistic expert to make claim that bullet 'PV/20 was fired from the same rifle as bullet 'PV/20?

What a despicable thing to suggest...

Are u 4 real?

Maybe cops should frame u for some serious crime, or other, and see how u feel about it...

I have never claimed that your xxxx was innocent, if  I had been given the opportunity to investigate his case, I feel sure I would have exposed his lies, long before his apparent confession. Jeremy Bambers case, is nothing like your xxxxx case. Just because u were fooled by xx xxxx, doesn't mean that the same applies in Jeremy's case. What u are trying to imply is xxxxxxxxxx. Ur' as bad as the cops which framed Jeremy, or the prosecution witnesses who gave false testimony at his trial. The Bamber case is nothing like xx xxxxx case. In this case (the Bamber case) there are clear inconsistencies, which never existed in xx xxxxx case. U were fooled by your xxxx, but Bamber is not fooling anyone. I do not base my findings or conclusions simply on what Jeremy has said to me, or to anyone. Bamber can say what the xxxx he likes, I base my conclusions upon examination of independent facts and evidence. How the xxxx could Bamber have influenced two bodies being found in the kitchen upon entry? How the xxxx could Bamber have influenced the discovery of only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am? How the xxxx could Bamber have had the knowlege or influence what Jeapes and Brown said about a rifle leaning against a first floor window (7.15am) prior to firearm officers entering the premises, and then the same rifle being found with Sheila's body? Stop being xxxxxx, or pretending u have all the answers to solve this case. Ur' current approach is laughable, u can't even get the facts right, facts which Jeremy had no control over...

Hey, u were taken for a mug, in xx xxxxx case, but xx xxxx was a different case to Bambers...

[mike tesko]

Bamber could not have shot his sister dead in the main bedroom upstairs after 8.10am, no matter what bullshit anybody can invent. This guy did not kill his sister in the bedroom, he did not stage her death scene to promote the suggestion that his sister took her own life. The facts speak for themselves. Essex police acted in a corrupt fashion. They know how she died in the main bedroom, they know Jeremy did not shoot his sister dead, or stage her death scene there. Anyone who seeks to pro it's the idea that Bamber had anything whatsoever to do with his sister's death in the main bedroom, does so dishonestly...

It is a fact that one or more of us, have been fooled by an idols claim of innocence In the past, being fooled being the operative phrase, if anyone fooled anyone in this particular case, the deception was exercised by Essex police. They know exactly when and how Sheila Caffell had died in the bedroom, with use of family rifle and silencer. Jones took possession of the silencer, for all the reasons given, and cops stitched Bamber up, rather than take full responsibility for the loss of Sheila's life upstairs in the main bedroom, after 8.10am...

Jeremy Bamber has not fooled anybody, he had no I evolvement in his sister's death in the main bedroom after 8.10am...

[Steve_uk]

Bamber could not have shot his sister dead in the main bedroom upstairs after 8.10am, no matter what bullshit anybody can invent. This guy did not kill his sister in the bedroom, he did not stage her death scene to promote the suggestion that his sister took her own life. The facts speak for themselves. Essex police acted in a corrupt fashion. They know how she died in the main bedroom, they know Jeremy did not shoot his sister dead, or stage her death scene there. Anyone who seeks to pro it's the idea that Bamber had anything whatsoever to do with his sister's death in the main bedroom, does so dishonestly...

It is a fact that one or more of us, have been fooled by an idols claim of innocence In the past, being fooled being the operative phrase, if anyone fooled anyone in this particular case, the deception was exercised by Essex police. They know exactly when and how Sheila Caffell had died in the bedroom, with use of family rifle and silencer. Jones took possession of the silencer, for all the reasons given, and cops stitched Bamber up, rather than take full responsibility for the loss of Sheila's life upstairs in the main bedroom, after 8.10am...

Jeremy Bamber has not fooled anybody, he had no I evolvement in his sister's death in the main bedroom after 8.10am...

Whilst I accept some of your points(and some of them needed desperately to be said) I resent your accusation that those of us who believe Jeremy Bamber to be guilty are acting in a dishonest fashion. We feel just as passionately that justice be served. Had Police shot Sheila with a Police-issue silencer(or whatever number of them were lying around the premises and irrespective of the fact that the murder weapon was particularly stiff and unlikely to discharge spontaneously) that played into the hands of their boss DCI Taff Jones, who was perfectly happy with the explanation of Sheila being the culprit and that would have been that.

[Caroline]

I'm glad/pleased to hear that.

I'm glad you're glad - we're all happy then!

[Stephanie]

Whilst I accept some of your points(and some of them needed desperately to be said) I resent your accusation that those of us who believe Jeremy Bamber to be guilty are acting in a dishonest fashion. We feel just as passionately that justice be served. Had Police shot Sheila with a Police-issue silencer(or whatever number of them were lying around the premises and irrespective of the fact that the murder weapon was particularly stiff and unlikely to discharge spontaneously) that played into the hands of their boss DCI Taff Jones, who was perfectly happy with the explanation of Sheila being the culprit and that would have been that.

Which points were they then Steve, I missed them?

You see the thing is not everyone's sense of self has fully developed beyond that of a small child and they cannot cope with a truth that shows them to be less than perfect.  And when confronted they will generally resort to explosive or passive aggressive behaviour, or denial. They may become enraged, deny everything, call you a liar, twist reality, blame you and then play the victim. It's also common for them to project every thing you say about them, onto you...

[Caroline]

Which points were they then Steve, I missed them?

You see the thing is not everyone's sense of self has fully developed beyond that of a small child and they cannot cope with a truth that shows them to be less than perfect.  And when confronted they will generally resort to explosive or passive aggressive behaviour, or denial. They may become enraged, deny everything, call you a liar, twist reality, blame you and then play the victim. It's also common for them to project every thing you say about them, onto you...

100% agree Steph.

[Steve_uk]

Which points were they then Steve, I missed them?

You see the thing is not everyone's sense of self has fully developed beyond that of a small child and they cannot cope with a truth that shows them to be less than perfect.  And when confronted they will generally resort to explosive or passive aggressive behaviour, or denial. They may become enraged, deny everything, call you a liar, twist reality, blame you and then play the victim. It's also common for them to project every thing you say about them, onto you...

Stephanie I don't really understand you, but I do recognize bereavement when I perceive it and for that you have my sympathy. Maybe you are coping by channeling your grief into your posts the way I attempted to steer any conversation I had with acquaintances round to my late mother, though I couldn't recognize what I was doing at the time.

[Stephanie]

Stephanie I don't really understand you, but I do recognize bereavement when I perceive it and for that you have my sympathy. Maybe you are coping by channeling your grief into your posts the way I attempted to steer any conversation I had with acquaintances round to my late mother, though I couldn't recognize what I was doing at the time.

There's no denying your suggestions of wanting to understand me are personal Steve. But deny away..
And continue to victimize me as much you are capable but as I said a long time ago; you can fool some of the people some of the time.. But you never fooled me. Is that what this is all about? Rejection?

[Stephanie]

100% agree Steph.

And according to research Caroline, there's an epidemic.

[Steve_uk]

There's no denying your suggestions of wanting to understand me are personal Steve. But deny away..
And continue to victimize me as much you are capable but as I said a long time ago; you can fool some of the people some of the time.. But you never fooled me. Is that what this is all about? Rejection?

I don't have any ill will towards you apart from bringing your pet subject into every thread you are able.

[lookout]

 There's an epidemic of paranoia too !

[Stephanie]

Stephanie I don't really understand you, but I do recognize bereavement when I perceive it and for that you have my sympathy. Maybe you are coping by channeling your grief into your posts the way I attempted to steer any conversation I had with acquaintances round to my late mother, though I couldn't recognize what I was doing at the time.

There's no denying your suggestions of wanting to understand me are personal Steve. But deny away..
And continue to victimize me as much you are capable but as I said a long time ago; you can fool some of the people some of the time.. But you never fooled me. Is that what this is all about? Rejection?

I don't have any ill will towards you apart from bringing your pet subject into every thread you are able.

If you don't like me or my posts Steve, maybe the solution to your problem would be to ignore me and my posts.

I'm unsure how your posts differ to mine, in that you talk of your own bereavement, your experiences where you live/work? I can't remember the name of the place; isn't it allegedly where Julie Mugford came from?