Re - Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:

[JackiePreece]

The information regarding Jeremy Bamber's violence is in the public domain, only you choose to ignore it.

Again you confuse me with yourself Jackie. I really am not that interested in learning all the details of Bambers violence, though if I were supporting his innocence I would be.

I'm not bothered by the fact you are waiting with bated breath. Wait away, I won't be providing anything. There's no need for me to do so. It's not me who is supporting him.

Why do you say the prison were keen...? These are your own words Jackie which make it appear there was more to it..

The prison wrongly downgraded Bambers security status and when they realised they were wrong, sent him back to a higher security prison.

SH died a D Cat prisoner. His confession in 2013 made no difference to what prison he was in. In fact the prison (Hollesley Bay) were prepared to keep SH in open conditions, provided he complete any further courses required of him.

I'm really not sure what the point of your argument is? The prison made a mistake and rectified said mistake. If your argument were to have any weight, I would have expected Jeremy to have served 25 years before being eligible for parole, as opposed to be given a full life tariff.

I am of the belief Bamber will never be released not just because of his crimes but because the prison know more about him than the public have been made aware of.

Where is there any evidence that the prison said they made a mistake for downgrading JB ?
You know there isn't anyway

The home office took this measure because of pressure from relatives

You knew this anyway

[JackiePreece]

I have come to learn that UK prisons often make the mistake of downgrading prisoners. Jeremy Bamber's situation would have been no different to all the other prisoners who were wrongly downgraded.

Prisoners are kept in certain prisons due to their risk factors i.e: risk of escape, risk to public etc.

I guarantee you Jackie there is information held on Jeremy's prison security file that he will not have disclosed to anyone, other than a solicitor if need be. And of course solicitors are under an oath to protect their clients.

Jeremy Bamber is in an A Cat prison for a reason.

As David learned yesterday, not all details are disclosed to the public, hence why there was no record of Jeremy's violent attack on another prisoner.

Following confession SH was told he would remain in open conditions. However, some months later he was transferred to closed conditions. According to prison records he had stated he would abscond and kill himself. The open prison were providing 24 hour care in custody. He was told Wayland prison had better facilities to care for him.

He was transferred back to a closed prison where 24 hour care was not available. At this point, he was at high risk of ending his life.

In the notes between the psychologist and NOMS it was suggested SH was no longer a D Cat prisoner but in the eyes of the law he was. No efforts were made by any prison staff to have SH's status downgraded. The fact he had disclosed by now an awful lot of disturbing information, had suggested he would abscond and the prison had changed his risk factors - he remained a D-Cat prisoner.

So even as recent as 2013 UK prisons were still making mistakes regarding a prisoners status and risk.

Back to Simon Hall again

Where exactly have you learnt prisons make mistakes downgrading prisons

You cannot guarantee anything can you and you have no inside information about Jeremy have you


I guarantee you Jackie there is information held on Jeremy's prison security file that he will not have disclosed to anyone

[JackiePreece]

Some people will never admit to having made a mistake Adam.

Which further supports Jeremy Bamber's public support is practically non existent.


Published 26th DECEMBER 2016 - Referring to Bamber as a PSYCHOPATH


Jeremy Bamber was described as “warped” and “evil beyond belief” by trial judge Mr Justice Drake in 1986.

Bamber, 55, is notorious for carrying out the so-called Bambi Killings – the vicious slaughter of his entire family at their home in White House Farm, near Tolleshunt D’Arcy, in Essex.

Adopted Bamber, aged 24 at the time, took a semi-automatic rifle and gunned down mum and dad, Neville and June, as well as his sister, Sheila, and her two sons, Daniel and Nicholas.

Despite all the evidence pointing to sicko Bamber, he tried to pin the horrific crime on Sheila, who was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.

But the jury saw through his web of lies and decided Bamber had carried out the twisted murders to get his hands on his family’s wealth.

Since his conviction, he has always claimed his innocence and launched multiple appeals.

In 1994, monster Bamber was told he would have to spend the rest of his life behind bars and will never be released.

Jeremy Bamber was described as “warped” and “evil beyond belief” by trial judge Mr Justice Drake in 1986.


In your legal research on murder cases would you like to remind the forum members what the trial judge said about the innocent Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 and would you like to remind me how many applications to appeal there were

Thank god for Gareth Pierce

[JackiePreece]

Steph, I don't think you did anything other that what any ONE of us would do if we were emotionally attached -for whatever reason- to another person. NO ONE wants to believe they've backed the wrong horse but it's a damn sight easier to lose money than to have our naively held beliefs shattered. We invest SO much in them that I believe MOST of us will cling to positive beliefs about those to whom we're emotionally attached, be it friend, lover, parent, spouse, hero, until we're forced to see them for what they really are.

After causing so much pain to the deceased relatives and wrongly accusing innocent people of murder I would disappear very quietly

[JackiePreece]

I want to hear Adam's reason.
I have my own reasons for wanting to know why Adam has chosen Graham,because I believe it's a lie.

I believe it's a lie too and also about Alias

[JackiePreece]

I've heard from him since then and he hasn't changed his stance.Not that I could imagine he would do on your say-so.

Absolutely Lookout

[JackiePreece]

Personally I would need to hear it from the man himself. I take what you say with a pinch of salt Lookout and would advise other members to do the same.

That's disgusting
You are calling Lookout a liar
Why do you take what Lookout says with a pinch of salt
Maggie needs to take action over this post
I know Grahame well and we have met up before
He has NOT changed his stance
Fact

[JackiePreece]

There are times when I feel sorry for you Lookout

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[Adam]

I believe it's a lie too and also about Alias

Post 158 has a link to Grahame's stance change.

He returned 7 weeks later as Mr Gee. Changing stance again saying the police were corrupt in the case.

Neither Grahame or Alias post on here now. So whatever their feelings, they don't feel it is worth posting.

[Adam]

'. He has rarely been involved in trouble, but on one occasion defended himself from a knife attack by another prisoner by using a broken bottle, and he received 28 stitches on his neck when he was attacked from behind by another inmate while making a telephone call.'

Over 30 years in a maximum security prison and rarely been in trouble'

I think that makes it very clear

What did you think of Bamber's dirty protest ?

[lookout]

Post 158 has a link to Grahame's stance change.

He returned 7 weeks later as Mr Gee. Changing stance again saying the police were corrupt in the case.

Neither Grahame or Alias post on here now. So whatever their feelings, they don't feel it is worth posting.

Because I'm LOYAL towards those that I TRUST,I'm not prepared to disclose the content of that which Graham told me in confidence last year. So you'll have to carry on in your usual way of making things up as you go along------people seem to believe that more !!

[Stephanie]

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There are times when I feel sorry for you too Jackie but it appears clear you will start another New Year with the same attitude as the last one.

Where exactly have you learnt prisons make mistakes downgrading prisons
You cannot guarantee anything can you and you have no inside information about Jeremy have you
I guarantee you Jackie there is information held on Jeremy's prison security file that he will not have disclosed to anyone

I have first hand knowledge of several prisoners being moved to a lower Cat prison and then weeks/or months later being moved back because the prison had made a mistake.

You'll be surprised at my knowledge of Jeremy Bamber. As I've posted before, I've had contact with several of his once staunch supporters; some of whom have since changed stance because it became clear to them his behaviour didn't add up.

What do you know about his prison security records? What do any of his supporters know about them? And indeed his psych records?

I wonder if there are any malicious allegations on Bambers prison security records like there were on SH's, from you!?

Where is there any evidence that the prison said they made a mistake for downgrading JB ?
You know there isn't anyway

The home office took this measure because of pressure from relatives

You knew this anyway

You nor I know no such thing. Maybe you should request from Jeremy the documents relating to his downgrade? Though I doubt he will share them with you or anyone for that matter.

'. He has rarely been involved in trouble, but on one occasion defended himself from a knife attack by another prisoner by using a broken bottle, and he received 28 stitches on his neck when he was attacked from behind by another inmate while making a telephone call.'

Over 30 years in a maximum security prison and rarely been in trouble'

I think that makes it very clear

As usual you are making excuses for his violence. He had a choice to use violence and indeed a choice to use a weapon. Why didn't he use his fists? Your posts suggests the man who he put in hospital was the aggressor. It's clear you have only read and posted what you have found online as opposed to having the facts relating to this crime. Bamber nearly scalped a man. What type of person does this to another?

And you do not know what trouble he has and hasn't been in over the past 32 years. No one does! There are only a handful of incidents reported by the papers, presumably after a tip off from someone inside? What about the incidents not reported to the media?

[lookout]

Any violent outbursts would well and truly have been well headlined given the profile that the media/press/haters of Jeremy are concerned.
 He's been created as being the monster with all the others in the rogues gallery of killers.
 Plus,he would NOT have had the backing of those who are in the position of being his patrons.

It's NOT easy to pull the wool over my eyes at this stage in the bid for Jeremy's freedom this year. 

[Stephanie]

Any violent outbursts would well and truly have been well headlined given the profile that the media/press/haters of Jeremy are concerned. No they wouldn't!
 He's been created as being the monster with all the others in the rogues gallery of killers.
 Plus,he would NOT have had the backing of those who are in the position of being his patrons. Why  wouldn't he? Simon Hall had the backing of numerous eminent professionals!

It's NOT easy to pull the wool over my eyes at this stage in the bid for Jeremy's freedom this year. It's only after you realise you have been conned that you then realise it is indeed easy for people like this to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

[Adam]

Because I'm LOYAL towards those that I TRUST,I'm not prepared to disclose the content of that which Graham told me in confidence last year. So you'll have to carry on in your usual way of making things up as you go along------people seem to believe that more !!

I posted the links to Grahame's leaving thread. Then his returning thread 7 weeks later.

He has not posted for over a year. So whatever he is thinking he has not bothered sharing.

Not sure what I have made up as I go along.

If he has apparently chosen to confide in you in 2015, that is nice.