Jeremy Bamber and the Pity Play..

[Stephanie]

You just have to read these questions and from what we know about Jeremy, I think he would score pretty high (although it's not an actual diagnosis test) http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/psychopathy.htm

SH did tests like this before he confessed. Following his confession he stated he was a possible psychopath.

I have no doubts that Bamber is a classic psychopath. It's possible he was damaged long before he was adopted. It's also possible genetics were a factor.

[Jane]

He doesn't get tested for psychopathy regularly Steve.

Why would he need to be? It seems, from what we're told that his behaviours, since his conviction, have been relatively consistent, so it's hardly a matter for concern what psych label is attached to him, or indeed, any OTHER prisoner. Think of the expense in regularly testing numerous prisoners. Different thing if a sudden change occurs in their behaviours.

[Caroline]

SH did tests like this before he confessed. Following his confession he stated he was a possible psychopath.

I have no doubts that Bamber is a classic psychopath. It's possible he was damaged long before he was adopted. It's also possible genetics were a factor.

I think the main reason for his PD is feelings of rejection (adoption and sent of to boarding school at such a young age). It is also interesting that he is alleged to have sustained a head injury as a small boy.

[Stephanie]

I would say enough for them to be " on the border ". There's no turning back either,just progressiveness.

Research suggests intervention may help an individual who presents with traits of a personality disorder in early childhood. Therefore I do not agree with your belief that there is no turning back. It often depends on environmental factors.

[Caroline]

Those tests seem pretty easy to circumvent anyhow.

They aren't, they ask the same question in many different ways. There are a lot of questions but only certain ones are relevant and they are hidden in between.

[lookout]

Do we know if a visit to A&E was in order after this head injury ?

[Caroline]

Research suggests intervention may help an individual who presents with traits of a personality disorder in early adulthood. Therefore I do not agree with your belief that there is no turning back. It often depends on environmental factors.

There is a lot of research into positive reinforcement. But diagnosis needs to be in early childhood.

[Caroline]

Do we know if a visit to A&E was in order after this head injury ?

no idea

[Jane]

Do we know if a visit to A&E was in order after this head injury ?

Did the Bambers ever do NHS?

[Stephanie]

They aren't, they ask the same question in many different ways. There are a lot of questions but only certain ones are relevant and they are hidden in between.

I'm not convinced Bamber has had a thorough and proper psychopathy test. I'm of the strong opinion the forensic psychologist who assessed him based his assessment on Bamber's claims of innocence. SH was tested for a personality disorder in 2008, based on his claims of innocence and passed with flying colours.

[Stephanie]

There is a lot of research into positive reinforcement. But diagnosis needs to be in early childhood.

My mistake; I meant childhood not adulthood - just edited my post.

[lookout]

no idea

Because as you know,it would have depended upon the severity of the injury as to whether a hospital visit was needed. If not,then it would have been amongst the normal bumps and bruises that a toddler collects along the way.
 Also the age of the child too because if under one year old,the skull is still soft enough to buffer a bump.
I haven't read about anything having been made of it,which leads me to believe that it wasn't a worry.

[Stephanie]

Because as you know,it would have depended upon the severity of the injury as to whether a hospital visit was needed. If not,then it would have been amongst the normal bumps and bruises that a toddler collects along the way.
 Also the age of the child too because if under one year old,the skull is still soft enough to buffer a bump.
I haven't read about anything having been made of it,which leads me to believe that it wasn't a worry.

In the SH case (Following the Zenith burglary omission) the CCRC requested copies of all medical records (Including prison records and all records prior to prison). And if I recall they asked if he had ever sustained a bump to the head.

I am of the belief the CCRC know a lot more about appellants than they are allowed to disclose due to their human rights.

I further believe in the case of Jeremy Bamber, they will never allow another appeal to pass through their doors, especially after the SH confession and the knowledge they gained from this.

[notsure]

Why would he need to be? It seems, from what we're told that his behaviours, since his conviction, have been relatively consistent, so it's hardly a matter for concern what psych label is attached to him, or indeed, any OTHER prisoner. Think of the expense in regularly testing numerous prisoners. Different thing if a sudden change occurs in their behaviours.

agreed

however even if he is one it doesn't make him guilty. It's been pointed out several times that many people have it .

During the trial it didn't seem to be an issue they were concerned about so I'm not sure why it is on this forum.

[Caroline]

I'm not convinced Bamber has had a thorough and proper psychopathy test. I'm of the strong opinion the forensic psychologist who assessed him based his assessment on Bamber's claims of innocence. SH was tested for a personality disorder in 2008, based on his claims of innocence and passed with flying colours.

Well, they aren't easy to fool BUT, if you know what the test is for, you can certainly be careful with the answers. I did a sample test as part of my degree but the tutor didn't tell us what it was for - the score came a few weeks later when we began the abnormal psychology module. Some may SAY they don't believe it - but I passed