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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #105 on: November 16, 2016, 12:13:PM »
Maybe I shouldn't have used that example - it was off the cuff.  I should add, that I personally haven't read the novels or watched the films. 

My point was / is lots of couples probably experience forms of submissiveness, dominance and rough activities.  Surely it's always been around and always will be around.  In that context, to what extent are the remarks by Mugford merely innocuous?   It's the kind of saucy tat that you would expect in a chequebook journalism article.

I presume you are referring to sadomasochism?

There are different levels, from mild to extreme, and there are examples of individuals who have an overwhelming need to take the extreme to another level entirely; including murder. This behaviour is described as pathological.

Given all the evidential factors in this case it appears clear to me that Bamber possessed numerous pathological traits.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #106 on: November 16, 2016, 01:09:PM »
I thought I'd heard everything  ::) The pathological traits of JB :

Masochist.
Tranny.
Drag queen.
Raging homosexual.
Sex Maniac.
Violent sex.
Violent murderer.
Narcissist.
Pathological liar.
Druggy.
Greedy.
A thief.
Drug smuggler/seller.

I'm sure there are other " traits ".It's a miracle how he found the time/energy to work at all !!

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #107 on: November 16, 2016, 01:38:PM »
I presume you are referring to sadomasochism?

I didn't actually have that term in mind.  But the remarks attributed to Julie, seem to be referring to the milder end of the scale?

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2016, 03:53:PM »
I didn't actually have that term in mind.  But the remarks attributed to Julie, seem to be referring to the milder end of the scale?

Even if Julie had manufactured her comments and/or they were isolated comments about Bamber (Which were factual) and on the milder end of the scale; I find it difficult to believe a forensic psychologist/criminal profiler would ignore them, given the list of other traits known about Jeremy Bamber.


From the OS:

"If Jeremy was having a sexual relationship with another man or indeed a woman other than Julie, all this would illustrate was Jeremy’s infidelity and might or might not give some reflection as to his character. Equally it would still have no bearing on the crime in consideration. Many documents have colloquial language for the term homosexuality. Let me give you some examples of the reports where, the correct terminology was used but in a negative context.  This excludes reports such as that prepared by DI Dickinson which is also littered with references to homosexual activity. For example in Ainsley’s two short reports of 1985. Here are some references:

“He fell in with criminal and Homosexual company” 

“He met the witness Brett Collins who is homosexual”

Mugford claimed that Jeremy had openly admitted to her “at least one homosexual relationship”

Mugford claimed that Jeremy had been to “New Zealand and there had some type of homosexual relationship with a man named Jeff it is also at this time that he met Brett Collins.” 

 “It was on the 13th of August that Brett Collins, the Homosexual friend of Jeremy’s who had stayed with Jeremy prior to August 1985, returned from a holiday in Greece.”

“It is said that there he fell in with criminal and homosexual company.” 

“He is considered by some who know him to be bisexual” 

“Always looking for affection, especially from girls, a bisexual, a shallow person” 

“He is also an admitted homosexual.” (re: Collins) 

“In addition, Bamber himself is believed to have been involved in other homosexual associations.”

There is more evidence, documents go on to state that Julie had, “said Jeremy was gay,”[3] and further in 1991 DI Hammett describes his lunch with Robert Boutflour and notes that he had remarked on Jeremy’s “un-savoury homosexual character” and that he was seen out “with a feather in his ear.”[4] I have only touched on some examples of these attitudes amongst the case documents. There are many more examples but there is not the space to cover this comprehensively.


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Again in isolation if Jeremy Bamber were bisexual I can understand why this fact could be dismissed, afterall being bisexual does not a murderer make.

But what if his homosexual activities were of a ego dystonic nature and/or if he is a psychopath and genderless? "Psychopaths have no identity and only create one as needed.

The following is worth reading as the comments have been written by psychopaths in relation to gender http://psychopathsandlove.com/a-hidden-fact-of-psychopaths-they-have-no-gender/

"The psychopath in my life told me about many of his sexual exploits that happened 'a long time ago' and he said he had sex with men as well as women. I asked him if he were bisexual, and he said he was not. He said it would be hard to explain. I had no idea at that time what his explanation could be.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #109 on: November 17, 2016, 08:24:PM »
I think Stephanie's post at 76 towards the end contains some useful points, but I don't see the sexuality issue as linked to the crimes. He's far more in the vein of Robert Coulson(who was adopted) or Ernest Scherer III, killing primarily for money and not sadism.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #110 on: November 17, 2016, 10:23:PM »
I don't think JB is homosexual or bisexual. Having Brett Collins as a friend has probably just created various rumors.

I think the notion of him being homosexual is mainly being spread and exploited by the campaign team to try and make him look like a victim of homophobia.

https://jeremybamber.org/the-inheritance-issue/


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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2016, 12:50:PM »
I don't think the reason for the CT team is what you suggest,David.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2016, 06:42:PM »
I don't think JB is homosexual or bisexual. Having Brett Collins as a friend has probably just created various rumors.

I think the notion of him being homosexual is mainly being spread and exploited by the campaign team to try and make him look like a victim of homophobia.

https://jeremybamber.org/the-inheritance-issue/
You're not helping your case David.  http://psychopathsandlove.com/a-hidden-fact-of-psychopaths-they-have-no-gender/

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2016, 07:53:PM »
You're not helping your case David.  http://psychopathsandlove.com/a-hidden-fact-of-psychopaths-they-have-no-gender/

There is no evidence Jeremy has psychopathy, There is in fact evidence to the contrary. (Professor Vincent Eagan's Psychological Report 2009)  As for the alleged diagnosis in 1986, I cannot find a single document to substantiate this ever happening. Nor can I find anywhere the name of the psychiatrist that allegedly met with Jeremy in 1986. Until any real evidence is produced I am satisfied the alleged diagnosis is nothing but another one of the many fictitious rumours.

That link you posted is nothing but armchair quackery.

If you want to know more about JBs state of mind ask this guy.
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/medicine/people/vincent.egan
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2016, 10:47:PM »
There is no evidence Jeremy has psychopathy, There is in fact evidence to the contrary. (Professor Vincent Eagan's Psychological Report 2009)  As for the alleged diagnosis in 1986, I cannot find a single document to substantiate this ever happening. Nor can I find anywhere the name of the psychiatrist that allegedly met with Jeremy in 1986. Until any real evidence is produced I am satisfied the alleged diagnosis is nothing but another one of the many fictitious rumours.

That link you posted is nothing but armchair quackery.

If you want to know more about JBs state of mind ask this guy.
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/medicine/people/vincent.egan

This is not true.

An assessment was carried out on Bamber pre-trial and it was concluded he was a psychopath.

The reason you have not seen or found this report is for the simple fact Bamber has chosen to not disclose it to the public.

If he had nothing to hide, this report would be in the public domain - along with all other reports for that matter.

Instead Bamber has chosen to share 'selected' snippets of information.

We have already discussed Professor Vincent Eagan's conclusions on other threads.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7489.msg353159.html#msg353159

Professor Eagan also concluded Luke Mitchell was a psychopath. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/7+lies+nailed+Luke%3B+JODI+JONES%3A+THE+AFTERMATH.-a0127512566
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2016, 10:56:PM »
Professor Eagan also concluded Luke Mitchell was a psychopath. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/7+lies+nailed+Luke%3B+JODI+JONES%3A+THE+AFTERMATH.-a0127512566

I am not defending Luke Mitchell although I would ask Professor Eagan to explain how he was able to come to the conclusions he had in relation to Mitchell, given that he was 14 years old at the time he (Eagan) gave his opinions.

A males brain isn't fully developed until around 24 years old.

In relation to Professor Eagan's assessment of Bamber; it's highly possible Professer Eagan was 'duped' by Bamber - it won't have been the first time an 'expert' was duped in this manner nor will it will the last.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #116 on: November 18, 2016, 11:01:PM »
I don't think JB is homosexual or bisexual.

What is he if he's none of the above?

You're not helping your case David.  http://psychopathsandlove.com/a-hidden-fact-of-psychopaths-they-have-no-gender/

There is no evidence Jeremy has psychopathy, There is in fact evidence to the contrary. (Professor Vincent Eagan's Psychological Report 2009) 

That link you posted is nothing but armchair quackery.


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6614.0.html

There is evidence though to suggest Bamber had homosexual liaisons; including in prison.

David can you point us to to Prof Eagan's comment's re Bambers sexuality? 
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #117 on: November 18, 2016, 11:52:PM »
I think Stephanie's post at 76 towards the end contains some useful points, but I don't see the sexuality issue as linked to the crimes. He's far more in the vein of Robert Coulson(who was adopted) or Ernest Scherer III, killing primarily for money and not sadism.

Hi Steve, I think the sexuality issue may be a factor in relation to his overall psychological make up. I don't believe this was his primary motivation. I think the below explains the sadistic side of things a bit better.

"Two "types" of psychopathic sadism can be distinguished from the wider aspect of psychopathy: the "amoral sadist", and the "malicious sadist".

Joseph Stalin, as I mentioned before, is a prime example of an amoral sadist. This is the "classic psychopath" amoral use of sadism for the purposes of pure convenience eg. a psychopath dictators' unflinching use of mass murder to achieve a particular result (i.e. the preservation of power), without any show of empathy for the victims; likewise, a psychopathic CEO who fires thousands of staff at a stroke, or recklessly causes an environmental disaster (such as in Bhopal, India thirty years ago) could also be classified as signs of "amoral sadism". This psychopath does not feel any measurable "pleasure" from such actions; he simply does it to achieve a result that benefits him.

By contrast, Adolf Hitler could more realistically be called a "malicious sadist". This is a psychopath who has more a malignantly narcissistic syndrome channeled into a need for "revenge" against perceived enemies or to "right" or a long-perceived "wrong" at the expense of "the enemy"; Hitler's sadism was obviously directed at the Jews. With the "malignant sadist", it is the overwhelming narcissism that is the main motivation for sadism. Sexual sadists may also fall more accurately into this catagory.
To be strictly fair, Stalin's belief in Communism was arguably also used as a weapon for some aspects of malignant sadism, but Stalin was more obviously a cold-hearted, amoral and calculating individual who used his position more for self-preservation than a strong sense of narcissistic"revenge".

Jimmy Savile is a more contemporary example of a malicious (and clearly very narcissistic) sadist; his form of sadism was more about psychological torture and control over his many "victims", who he would intimidate into silence.   

For a maliciously sadistic psychopath to "win" in a situation, it follows that someone else must be seen to "lose"; otherwise the situation is of only marginal benefit to the psychopath. This is the crux of this latter type of psychopath's sadism; to gain pleasure from another's pain, especially when inflicted (directly or indirectly) by the psychopath himself.
Married with their sense of entitlement, and that their victims either "deserve" their fate, or will somehow benefit from it in the long-term, psychopaths see human interaction as simply a power-play.

In reality, most psychopaths may have some combination of the two, with one "type" more dominant than the other: a psychopath can be sadistic for the sake of amoral convenience, or pleasure, or both.

Partners of psychopaths will be treated as objects to be dominated and controlled, either psychologically, physically or sexually. They will cheat on partners and blame it on their partner, or worse, leave a collection of single mothers with an absent father in their wake. Psychopaths are usually sexual sadists and view sex as amorally as anything else ; as a result, they also tend to be fascinated by the darker and more extreme side of sexuality, delving in amoral perversion and extremes. This might include paedophilia, physical sadism for sexual pleasure, and so on. You can read more on "sexual psychopathy" here.

http://leedanielhughes.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/inside-mind-of-psychopath-how.html
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?
« Reply #119 on: November 19, 2016, 12:11:AM »
Stephanie,

I thought this website may interest you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4070947/

The notion that adolescence is characterized by dramatic changes in behavior, and often by emotional upheaval, is widespread and longstanding in popular western culture. In recent decades, this notion has gained increasing support from empirical research showing that the peri- and post-pubertal developmental stages are associated with a significant rise in the rate of psychiatric symptoms and syndromes