The window catch issue

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6217.msg314177.html#msg314177

The kitchen window issue has been closed.

Even Bamber agrees the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside. Never opposing this fact. Just denying that he knew about it, which is very unlikely.

He agrees all windows were shut when the police arrived. His latest claim is crime scene photos which have not been disclosed show the kitchen window was shut but had not been banged shut from outside. Thirty one years later it's a bit late to test this out.

[lookout]

  It's being investigated now !

[Adam]

Bamber agrees with everything the prosecution said at trial regarding the kitchen window -

He could get in and out of WHF via it.

It was shut when the police arrived.

Fixed Items around the kitchen window had been moved.

It could be banged shut from outside.


The only thing he is now disputing is that it had been shut internally, rather than externally.

[guest7363]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1168.0;attach=6005;image

[lookout]

One handle ( the lower one ) would go in a locking position when slammed, maybe after a few slams but what about the actual handle at the top ? Would it rest in the vertical position inside its catch as photographed ?

[lookout]

Not if freshly painted as both had been recently,they have a habit of sticking.

[Jane]

Not if freshly painted as both had been recently,they have a habit of sticking.

How recent are you calling "recently"?

[lookout]

How recent are you calling "recently"?

The decorator had been there in the lead up to the tragedy.

[Jane]

The decorator had been there in the lead up to the tragedy.

What are you calling, ie the time frame, "the lead up to the tragedy"?

[guest7363]

One handle ( the lower one ) would go in a locking position when slammed, maybe after a few slams but what about the actual handle at the top ? Would it rest in the vertical position inside its catch as photographed ?

He says one window particular in the kitchen could be closed from the outside by banging the window?  It's in his notes and what looks like his own writing?  He doesn't say the top latch wouldn't shut, he doesn't say after a few slams like you say, he says by banging the window?  How you know different is anyone's guess? 

[lookout]

I've had personal experience with windows like that and for them to be locked and made safe you have to secure the bottom latch before closing the top because the bottom one is responsible for the alignment in the window so that the top latch will close over in its secure position.
Slamming a window like that won't leave it as secure as if doing it from within.

[guest7363]

I've had personal experience with windows like that and for them to be locked and made safe you have to secure the bottom latch before closing the top because the bottom one is responsible for the alignment in the window so that the top latch will close over in its secure position.
Slamming a window like that won't leave it as secure as if doing it from within.

Doesnt matter what experience you have had with windows, the window in question you haven't had experience with, he gave an honest accessment, all the others could not be closed from the outside but that one could, by banging the window. 

[lookout]

Doesnt matter what experience you have had with windows, the window in question you haven't had experience with, he gave an honest accessment, all the others could not be closed from the outside but that one could, by banging the window.

Closed------but not secured. There's a difference. According to DCI Jones all areas within,including windows, were locked and secured

[guest7363]

Closed------but not secured. There's a difference. According to DCI Jones all areas within,including windows, were locked and secured

Fall down across the locking bar as in locked closed secured.  That's how I would read it? 

[notsure]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6217.msg314177.html#msg314177

The kitchen window issue has been closed.

Even Bamber agrees the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside. Never opposing this fact. Just denying that he knew about it, which is very unlikely.

He agrees all windows were shut when the police arrived. His latest claim is crime scene photos which have not been disclosed show the kitchen window was shut but had not been banged shut from outside. Thirty one years later it's a bit late to test this out.

they might well be able to be banged shut but it said that after trying it out it could not be done so with the handles ending up inthe 6 ko'clock position. Now if they were in the 6 o'clock position it proves he couldn't have used that window.

The ct cannot be pinning there hopes on this alone if it this was just one of the windows he could have used. There's got to be more to it than that. I think it must have been made clear that this was the window he used to enter.exit otherwise what would be the point.

We can argue about it all we like but I am convinced they wouldn't waste money and time on an issue that isn't going to get them anywhere.