The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?

[lucy70]

Lucy have you seen lots of dead bodies?
I suppose that just a stupid american documentary then how ridiculous

Have seen quite a few in different circumstances and the only ones that have looked like that are (sorry if this offends anyone!) people who have hung themselves and the occasional heart attack victim.

[vidvic]

Vic may I ask? if  as you say,it wasnt all about the money/property or whatever for the relatives,then why did they not compensate Colin for his loss?

I don't honestly know the details of this, but all I can say is that Colin has contact with at least one member of the family and all is amicable.

[lucy70]

Go for it Jackie! This will almost certainly clear his name.....

I am going for it Vidvic plenty more up my sleeve


I dont know if there are policeman on this forum but can people have a look of horror on there face say if they are murdered or does everyone look peaceful like Sheila when they die

or are there any nurses on this forum I am really interested because I dont find Sheilas pictures gruesome she just looks like she is an actress covered in fake blood and just looks so peaceful

I wonder if NGB would know anything about this and this is normally something right up Chocho or Abs street

The majority of people that have seen looked quite peaceful and just as if they were sleeping.

Out of interest Lucy,does this include murder victims?

Not in the flesh Tyler but have seen enough pictures to know.

[Newbury1]

How do you know that Neville ran downstairs to use the phone in the kitchen? He may have ran down down the stairs pursuing the killer with his shotgun.A tussle may have ensued in which concluded with Neville being beaten and subsequently killed.That's how Nevilles gun could have ended up being found downstairs.Didn't Mike say something about a second gun being found in the kitchen?Is that Nevilles gun that is photographed in the downstairs office?There were many weapons at whf.Why did the police photograph only that one  shotgun and the rifle that was found with Sheila?The shotgun must therefore hold some relevance to the crime?

Hi Tyler, I guess your comment is directed at my post.

The reason I stated "rather than running downstairs to make a phone call" is based on the general assumption (proposed by EP - and I know this could be wrong) that NB was shot initially in the bedroom and that NB's blood was found smeared on the staircase/ hall wall leading to the kitchen and NB subsequently being found dead in the kitchen (and was alleged to have at some time used the phone in the kitchen lying of the cradle). 

If NB had the shotgun, and June had been shot in front of him, I think NB would have let the killer have both barrels, and if NB missed there would be clear proof in the house that a shotgun cartridge had been discharged.

The second gun in the kitchen Mike T has referred to is a .22 air rifle that he believes SC used to try and kill herself with (first shot) and failed (no proof of an air rifle being used).

There is no evidence, that I am aware of, that suggests the shotgun photographed in the office had anything to do with the murders.

[Tyler]

Vic may I ask? if  as you say,it wasnt all about the money/property or whatever for the relatives,then why did they not compensate Colin for his loss?

I don't honestly know the details of this, but all I can say is that Colin has contact with at least one member of the family and all is amicable.

Thanks.Colin comes across as a really nice guy.What do you make of Suthersts findings?That the scratch in the paintwork above the aga was created some considerable time AFTER the murders?

[vidvic]

Vic may I ask? if  as you say,it wasnt all about the money/property or whatever for the relatives,then why did they not compensate Colin for his loss?

I don't honestly know the details of this, but all I can say is that Colin has contact with at least one member of the family and all is amicable.

Thanks.Colin comes across as a really nice guy.What do you make of Suthersts findings?That the scratch in the paintwork above the aga was created some considerable time AFTER the murders?

I think it made a good headline for PR purposes. From the pictures I've seen (used at the appeal in 2002) it would be impossible to tell as they weren't big enough. But, as they now have the ability to test them properly this will either form part of the CCRC submissions or be quietly dropped.

[Tyler]

Thank you NEWBURY for scuppering my theory. Obviously women and knowledge of guns dont mix   

[Newbury1]

Thank you NEWBURY for scuppering my theory. Obviously women and knowledge of guns dont mix   

Hi Tyler, that's an interesting statement in support of SC not doing it - I guess that's your message 

[Tyler]

Thank you NEWBURY for scuppering my theory. Obviously women and knowledge of guns dont mix   

Hi Tyler, that's an interesting statement in support of SC not doing it - I guess that's your message 

Actually I didnt see the irony of my last post    In all fairness,unlike me,Sheila grew up surrounded by guns so Im sure she had alot more knowledge than me!   

[Jackiepreece]

Tyler if you need to know anything about gunds ask Ngb1066 he is brilliant at explaining anything

[Tyler]

Tyler if you need to know anything about gunds ask Ngb1066 he is brilliant at explaining anything

yeah I know Jackie.He is very nice   

[Newbury1]

Thank you NEWBURY for scuppering my theory. Obviously women and knowledge of guns don't mix   

Hi Tyler, that's an interesting statement in support of SC not doing it - I guess that's your message 

Actually I didn't see the irony of my last post    In all fairness,unlike me,Sheila grew up surrounded by guns so I'm sure she had alot more knowledge than me!

Yes, but if SC did have gun knowledge would she chose to pick up a relatively light weight rifle that required loading with at least 15 rounds, and firing 25 shots (not one missed).

Back to the shotgun, I think that in a moment of madness SC would have used a shotgun as this would be quick and only require loading with 4 cartridges for the murders - and the noise would be irrelevant to a women gone "berserk". IMO 

However if NB had locked the shotgun away maybe it was not available 

[Jackiepreece]

 That's because he murdered his family
Vidvic you have made the statement above and you have no idea of that unless you were there

We have some highly intelligent posters on here Shona for one and she thinks a third party carried out the murders


Admit it Vidvic you do not know

[Jackiepreece]

Freddie who was close to Sheila testified on behalf of Jeremy, he wouldnt have testified if Sheila did not get on with Jeremy Jeremy himself said that they didn't get on

Where did he say they didnt get on other that most brother and sister normal spats

[Tyler Durden]

Yes, but if SC did have gun knowledge would she chose to pick up a relatively light weight rifle that required loading with at least 15 rounds, and firing 25 shots (not one missed).

Back to the shotgun, I think that in a moment of madness SC would have used a shotgun as this would be quick and only require loading with 4 cartridges for the murders - and the noise would be irrelevant to a women gone "berserk". IMO 

However if NB had locked the shotgun away maybe it was not available 

Isn't this ascribing too much logic to somebody described as a paranoid schizophrenic?
Surely if she just flipped out, she didn't think of what the best method of execution was or what the best chambering option was, as that would set the scene for a slightly more pre-meditated killing.