The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?

[grahameb]

i read that the kids had nightmares too, i also read somewhere that db claimed sheilas ghost haunted them to tell them to find out the truth!! hmm not sure what to make of that.

Hmm, perhaps I'd better go there. Perhaps she might tell me something different? If that was so why didn't she tell him what actually happened?

I can´t imagine why you would want your children to grow up where five members of your own family was wiped out! I can´t imagine you wanting to live there!
Warped.

no I wasn't saying that. I was just wondering what the "ghost of Sheila" would say to me?

Grahame, I wasn´t answering your post specifically. Just pondering about people wanting to live there - kids having nightmares, things like that!

Well I for one would not like to live there.

[chochokeira]

Is this the same secret land deal which was mentioned in COLP's Dickinson Report and in the 2002 Appeal Judgement?

No, I don't think it can be as Mike told me the following:

"Jeremy told me about the argument which Ralph and Peter Eaton had just before the time of the shootings, over a loan connected with the farm that Ann and Peter Eaton lived on. This loan was monies which Ralph Bamber paid on behalf of the Eatons, to a university. Eaton and Ralph Bamber came to blows and Ralph ended up with a black eye..."

Jeremy knew about this episode, so it can't be the same as this latest secret land deal that's come to light.

Mike,

You've posted a statement elsewhere regarding Nevill loaning PE the money to purchase his brother's third share in farm land that their mother had bequeathed to them and one other brother.

I've also seen a reference to Nevill paying money to a university, I believe on PE's behalf.

1. Are you suggesting that this was just one land deal?

2. Were there two farms involved?

3. Did the land deal date to 1961 or some time after?

4. Was it a college and not a university that Nevill paid the money to?

5.  Where was this university/ college, could it have been in Gloucestershire - where Sheila was born?

I'm asking because I have a sort of half formed theory that there were two farms that Nevill funded, but I'm probably completely wrong.

[mike tesko]

Is this the same secret land deal which was mentioned in COLP's Dickinson Report and in the 2002 Appeal Judgement?

No, I don't think it can be as Mike told me the following:

"Jeremy told me about the argument which Ralph and Peter Eaton had just before the time of the shootings, over a loan connected with the farm that Ann and Peter Eaton lived on. This loan was monies which Ralph Bamber paid on behalf of the Eatons, to a university. Eaton and Ralph Bamber came to blows and Ralph ended up with a black eye..."

Jeremy knew about this episode, so it can't be the same as this latest secret land deal that's come to light.

Mike,

You've posted a statement elsewhere regarding Nevill loaning PE the money to purchase his brother's third share in farm land that their mother had bequeathed to them and one other brother.

I've also seen a reference to Nevill paying money to a university, I believe on PE's behalf.

1. Are you suggesting that this was just one land deal?

2. Were there two farms involved?

3. Did the land deal date to 1961 or some time after?

4. Was it a college and not a university that Nevill paid the money to?

5.  Where was this university/ college, could it have been in Gloucestershire - where Sheila was born?

I'm asking because I have a sort of half formed theory that there were two farms that Nevill funded, but I'm probably completely wrong.

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Ralph also loaned monies to Anthony Pargeter and his sister to help pay for renovations of a five bedroomed house in Guildford that was turned into flats, monies which were also not included in the Bamber estate(s)...

[chochokeira]

Is this the same secret land deal which was mentioned in COLP's Dickinson Report and in the 2002 Appeal Judgement?

No, I don't think it can be as Mike told me the following:

"Jeremy told me about the argument which Ralph and Peter Eaton had just before the time of the shootings, over a loan connected with the farm that Ann and Peter Eaton lived on. This loan was monies which Ralph Bamber paid on behalf of the Eatons, to a university. Eaton and Ralph Bamber came to blows and Ralph ended up with a black eye..."

Jeremy knew about this episode, so it can't be the same as this latest secret land deal that's come to light.

Mike,

You've posted a statement elsewhere regarding Nevill loaning PE the money to purchase his brother's third share in farm land that their mother had bequeathed to them and one other brother.

I've also seen a reference to Nevill paying money to a university, I believe on PE's behalf.

1. Are you suggesting that this was just one land deal?

2. Were there two farms involved?

3. Did the land deal date to 1961 or some time after?

4. Was it a college and not a university that Nevill paid the money to?

5.  Where was this university/ college, could it have been in Gloucestershire - where Sheila was born?

I'm asking because I have a sort of half formed theory that there were two farms that Nevill funded, but I'm probably completely wrong.

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Ralph also loaned monies to Anthony Pargeter and his sister to help pay for renovations of a five bedroomed house in Guildford that was turned into flats, monies which were also not included in the Bamber estate(s)...

Thanks, Mike,

So where does the university come into the loan equation? Was this uni in Gloucestershire and did the transaction occur some time between - or around -  1961 and 1975? The uni I'm thinking of is the one of which someone (Hartley?) posted here:

"No, I don't think it can be as Mike told me the following:
Jeremy told me about the argument which Ralph and Peter Eaton had just before the time of the shootings, over a loan connected with the farm that Ann and Peter Eaton lived on. This loan was monies which Ralph Bamber paid on behalf of the Eatons, to a university. Eaton and Ralph Bamber came to blows and Ralph ended up with a black eye..."

I know these seem like daft questions, but there is method in my madness. I'm looking at Professor Robert Boutflour and his family.

[Jackiepreece]

Chochokeira I have some up to date stuff re land deals which I will scan but I need to check to see if it is ok to post

[vidvic]

There are many things stated in this thread which are untrue.
There is no secret land deal !! It is in the statement which you have printed for a start !! There is nothing unusual in a richer family member helping out another family member to prevent land from falling into the hands of developers.
Can I also stress that WHF has never and will never be owned by any member of the family as it is rented.
Why should a farm, which was farmed by the family for many many years, not remain with the family? Would this have not been what Nevill and June would have wanted?
Peter Eaton was as devastated as anyone with Nevill's death. He's never got over it.

[smiffy]

There are many things stated in this thread which are untrue.
There is no secret land deal !! It is in the statement which you have printed for a start !! There is nothing unusual in a richer family member helping out another family member to prevent land from falling into the hands of developers.
Can I also stress that WHF has never and will never be owned by any member of the family as it is rented.
Why should a farm, which was farmed by the family for many many years, not remain with the family? Would this have not been what Nevill and June would have wanted?
Peter Eaton was as devastated as anyone with Nevill's death. He's never got over it.

oh how do you come to these conclusions?  are you like "JOHN" and  falsely claim to know some of the people involved or is it guesswork?
you just couldnt make it up now could you?...
that phrase you used in another post  is so familiar to me... I have seen "John" use it a number of times...did you learn it from him?

[andrea]

"you couldnt make it up" is very familiar, along with lol hmmmmm...

[Jackiepreece]

Peter Eaton yeah right very funny

[andrea]

Peter Eaton yeah right very funny

i bet the money helped him get over it though.

[HMEssex]

There are many things stated in this thread which are untrue.
There is no secret land deal !! It is in the statement which you have printed for a start !! There is nothing unusual in a richer family member helping out another family member to prevent land from falling into the hands of developers.
Can I also stress that WHF has never and will never be owned by any member of the family as it is rented.
Why should a farm, which was farmed by the family for many many years, not remain with the family? Would this have not been what Nevill and June would have wanted?
Peter Eaton was as devastated as anyone with Nevill's death. He's never got over it.

But it was not the Eatons who were his family, especially P. Eaton who punched him.

I bet PE never got over it!  He will always be known as the one who hit Nevill,  therefore I doubt, in that case, he would have been thought of as the rightful heir.

[andrea]

mike is it too late for submissions to the ccrc now?


i posted this on wrong thread.. duh

[vidvic]

Smiffy and Andrea. You seem to be suggesting that I am actually 'John'. I can assure you I am my own Man.

Saying something like "Bet the money helped him get over it" shows a complete lack of understanding for what the family went through and continues to go through. Not that I expect many on this forum to understand or want to understand.

Please remember that none of the family ever wanted any of this to happen. Also remember that in the first few hours after those dreadful events they rallied round JB and tried to support him. JB knows this to be true.

It was only after things were overheard being told to the police that doubts started to emerge and the events of that night were questioned.

I have read many times on here about greedy relatives. I ask you. Do you really believe that the Nevill and June estate would have changed any of the families lives?! That they needed to frame Jeremy for the money? Ridiculous.

[andrea]

erm ......when did i suggest you was john vidvic?

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic
What book did that come out of?
Enid Blyton