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Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« on: August 27, 2016, 10:30:AM »
Did Bamber take the rifle out of the gun cupboard ?  - Yes.

Is it not polite and normal to put something back where you found it in someone else's house ?  - Yes.

With the rifle not having the silencer on, would this have made it easier to put back into the gun cupboard, or even the back into the rifle's case ? - Yes.

Were Neville and June awake and downstairs when Bamber returned from rabbit hunting and dumped the rifle ? - Yes.

Did Neville or June tell Bamber to put the rifle back into the gun cupboard ? - No.

Had Bamber just spent several minutes fetching, loading and chambering the rifle, then looking for rabbits ? - Yes.

After spending several minutes doing all that, how much extra time would it have taken to put the rifle back into the gun cupboard where he got it from ? - 10 seconds.

With it being early and Neville and June still downstairs, would they both have seen something as big as the rifle which was sprawled out near to them ? - Yes.

Were Neville or June capable of spending 10 seconds putting the rifle away - Yes.

Did Neville and June do this ? - No.

Did Bamber say Neville was quite careful with rifles inside WHF ? - Yes.

Were Sheila and two 6 year old boys staying at WHF ? - Yes.

Would Neville and June then have then been more careful than usual with rifles ? - Yes.

After Bamber, Neville and June failed to put the rifle back before going to bed, would Neville later have the chance to do this while awake with an agitated Sheila ? - Yes.

With Sheila eventually being given and taking the unexpected opportunity to take a fully loaded available rifle, is this the reason Neville phoned Bamber ? - Yes, although there were 40 reasons not to.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 10:45:AM by Adam »
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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2016, 12:00:PM »
Did Bamber take the rifle out of the gun cupboard ?  - Yes.

Is it not polite and normal to put something back where you found it in someone else's house ?  - Yes.

With the rifle not having the silencer on, would this have made it easier to put back into the gun cupboard, or even the back into the rifle's case ? - Yes.

Were Neville and June awake and downstairs when Bamber returned from rabbit hunting and dumped the rifle ? - Yes.

Did Neville or June tell Bamber to put the rifle back into the gun cupboard ? - No.

Had Bamber just spent several minutes fetching, loading and chambering the rifle, then looking for rabbits ? - Yes.

After spending several minutes doing all that, how much extra time would it have taken to put the rifle back into the gun cupboard where he got it from ? - 10 seconds.

With it being early and Neville and June still downstairs, would they both have seen something as big as the rifle which was sprawled out near to them ? - Yes.

Were Neville or June capable of spending 10 seconds putting the rifle away - Yes.

Did Neville and June do this ? - No.

Did Bamber say Neville was quite careful with rifles inside WHF ? - Yes.

Were Sheila and two 6 year old boys staying at WHF ? - Yes.

Would Neville and June then have then been more careful than usual with rifles ? - Yes.

After Bamber, Neville and June failed to put the rifle back before going to bed, would Neville later have the chance to do this while awake with an agitated Sheila ? - Yes.

With Sheila eventually being given and taking the unexpected opportunity to take a fully loaded available rifle, is this the reason Neville phoned Bamber ? - Yes, although there were 40 reasons not to.

Adam this is just embarrassing.  It's almost as bad as Mikes video
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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2016, 12:08:PM »
Adam this is just embarrassing.  It's almost as bad as Mikes video

It's just that there are over ten reasons and opportunities for the rifle to end up back in the gun cupboard. After Bamber decided to errr shoot rabbits.

But we are lead to believe it wasn't put away and Sheila errr killed 5 people with it.
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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2016, 12:18:PM »
Or maybe the rifle was unloaded and put away by Neville or June.

Sheila going to the gun cupboard at 3am, loading and putting the silencer on. Neville not noticing and then phoning Bamber when seeing Sheila with the rifle. 

No one knows what happened after Bamber left WHF.
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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2016, 12:29:PM »
Bamber has always supported the idea that Sheila took the fully loaded rifle from where he left it.

Probably aware he had to suggest Sheila had an open goal esq opportinity. Sheila going to the gun cupboard is much less likely.

However trying to suggest Sheila had this big opportunity of a rifle sprawled around in open sight creates it's own big doubts, as the thread post shows.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 12:33:PM by Adam »
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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2016, 04:43:PM »
Bamber has always supported the idea that Sheila took the fully loaded rifle from where he left it.

Probably aware he had to suggest Sheila had an open goal esq opportinity. Sheila going to the gun cupboard is much less likely.

However trying to suggest Sheila had this big opportunity of a rifle sprawled around in open sight creates it's own big doubts, as the thread post shows.


Your arguments are silly. Two can play at that game However

Could Neville have put the gun back in the cupboard? YES

Did Sheila know there was guns on the farm? YES

Did Sheila know were the gun cupboard was? YES

Did the gun cupboard have a lock? NO

Had Sheila held a gun before? YES

Does this mean Sheila know one end of the gun from the other? YES

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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2016, 07:14:PM »
Was rifle put back in cupboard - Immaterial .

Could the rifle's telescopic sights be set by Sheila  - No

Could JB have set them to a certain range whilst outside - Yes

Did Sheila know the rifle was a newish edition to family's guns. No. Sheila wasn't interested in guns, she preferred London life.

Would Sheila, in a psychotic state have picked up any gun such as the ones left on the stairs on her way to the kitchen - Yes.

For JB's story to hold any water he had to imply the rifle was left out with a fully loaded magazine, as he knew Sheila couldn't have loaded it herself....hence the bunny story!  JB also thought it would only take 10/11 shots to kill all the family...this was big mistake! Sheila wouldn't have the first idea about reloading that particular rifle! 




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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2016, 08:41:PM »
Was rifle put back in cupboard - Immaterial .

Could the rifle's telescopic sights be set by Sheila  - No

Could JB have set them to a certain range whilst outside - Yes

Did Sheila know the rifle was a newish edition to family's guns. No. Sheila wasn't interested in guns, she preferred London life.

Would Sheila, in a psychotic state have picked up any gun such as the ones left on the stairs on her way to the kitchen - Yes.

For JB's story to hold any water he had to imply the rifle was left out with a fully loaded magazine, as he knew Sheila couldn't have loaded it herself....hence the bunny story!  JB also thought it would only take 10/11 shots to kill all the family...this was big mistake! Sheila wouldn't have the first idea about reloading that particular rifle!


Excellent point Romeo.
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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2016, 08:45:PM »
Was rifle put back in cupboard - Immaterial .

Could the rifle's telescopic sights be set by Sheila  - No

Could JB have set them to a certain range whilst outside - Yes

Did Sheila know the rifle was a newish edition to family's guns. No. Sheila wasn't interested in guns, she preferred London life.

Would Sheila, in a psychotic state have picked up any gun such as the ones left on the stairs on her way to the kitchen - Yes.

For JB's story to hold any water he had to imply the rifle was left out with a fully loaded magazine, as he knew Sheila couldn't have loaded it herself....hence the bunny story!  JB also thought it would only take 10/11 shots to kill all the family...this was big mistake! Sheila wouldn't have the first idea about reloading that particular rifle!
good points romeo.also did sheila know how to load a magazine and chamber a round.'i doubt it'

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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2016, 08:48:PM »
good points romeo.also did sheila know how to load a magazine and chamber a round.'i doubt it'

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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2016, 10:16:PM »
Was rifle put back in cupboard - Immaterial .

Could the rifle's telescopic sights be set by Sheila  - No

Could JB have set them to a certain range whilst outside - Yes

Did Sheila know the rifle was a newish edition to family's guns. No. Sheila wasn't interested in guns, she preferred London life.

Would Sheila, in a psychotic state have picked up any gun such as the ones left on the stairs on her way to the kitchen - Yes.

For JB's story to hold any water he had to imply the rifle was left out with a fully loaded magazine, as he knew Sheila couldn't have loaded it herself....hence the bunny story!  JB also thought it would only take 10/11 shots to kill all the family...this was big mistake! Sheila wouldn't have the first idea about reloading that particular rifle!

You have no evidence to justify these assumptions. There is no record anywhere of Sheila claiming ineptitude of using firearms.

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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2016, 10:28:PM »
You have no evidence to justify these assumptions. There is no record anywhere of Sheila claiming ineptitude of using firearms.
they is also no record whatso ever  of sheila having fired any firearms in her life.if you think there is 'show proof'

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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2016, 10:28:PM »

Show evidence

Show evidence that you have access to crime scene pictures!
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Re: Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2016, 10:29:PM »
You have no evidence to justify these assumptions. There is no record anywhere of Sheila claiming ineptitude of using firearms.

I don't know how to use a gun - guess how many times that crops up in a conversation?  ::)
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