Different Stages of Lividity (livor mortis) Between June and Sheila?

[Jane]

Thats true Caroline, take Scott Lomax, from his book,  After telephoning the police, he contacted his girlfriend, Julie Mugford, as he was unsure as to whether or not he had taken the correct action.   Everyone knows he phoned Julie first before the police, if only Lomax read Bambers statements first.

And isn't it interesting that, during that call, not ONCE did he mention the alleged call from Nevill, NOR did he mention any uncertainty re his actions.

[lookout]

Another thing we don't know is when Neville had rang in the past for Jeremy's assistance with Sheila,how many times had she " cried wolf ", when there's been no real need ? Again,we don't know do we ? Hence JB's hesitation on whether to ring 999 or not in case his father rang back.
I bet there had been other times when professional intervention had crossed somebody's mind. 

[Jane]

Another thing we don't know is when Neville had rang in the past for Jeremy's assistance with Sheila,how many times had she " cried wolf ", when there's been no real need ? Again,we don't know do we ? Hence JB's hesitation on whether to ring 999 or not in case his father rang back.
I bet there had been other times when professional intervention had crossed somebody's mind.

Or IF Nevill had previously rung Jeremy for assistance. Given the amount of occasions that Jeremy had been absent from the farm -indeed, country- and the fact that he didn't live there and Sheila's propensity for night time calls, I'd say such was unlikely.

[David1819]

And isn't it interesting that, during that call, not ONCE did he mention the alleged call from Nevill, NOR did he mention any uncertainty re his actions.

Julie Mugford is not a credible witness. 

[Caroline]

Julie Mugford is not a credible witness. 

Of course it's far more credible to believe that Jeremy didn't remember what he said when he called Julie or if he called before or after the police. 

[David1819]

Of course it's far more credible to believe that Jeremy didn't remember what he said when he called Julie or if he called before or after the police. 

Indeed. Not remembering the details shows he did not realise the gravity of the situation at the time.

Not perfect but far more reliable than someone who happened to remember everything differently five weeks later 

[Caroline]

Indeed. Not remembering the details shows he did not realise the gravity of the situation at the time.

Not perfect but far more reliable than someone who happened to remember everything differently five weeks later 

It shows nothing of the sort, he let slip he called Julie first. He dropped himself in it and it was the only way he could try and get out of it.

[David1819]

It shows nothing of the sort, he let slip he called Julie first. He dropped himself in it and it was the only way he could try and get out of it.

Get out of what? The absence of lividity and lack or rigor in Sheila make it IMPOSSIBLE for Jeremy to have committed the crime.

Now instead of trying to convince everyone Jeremy is guilty because he didn't reply to your letters or put you on the telephone list. I think you may need to get a new hobby. Picking poppies maybe? 

[Steve_uk]

Indeed. Not remembering the details shows he did not realise the gravity of the situation at the time.

Not perfect but far more reliable than someone who happened to remember everything differently five weeks later 

I know this is strictly speaking not the subject of this thread but since it has been brought up again why do you think Jeremy telephoned Julie for a second time within a few hours if as he was all to willing to tell Police a few weeks later their relationship had been cooling for six months and that Julie said she felt that that last Christmas the Bambers were becoming more accepting of her but that Jeremy was reluctant to show her off in their presence?

[zoe]

Correct again David! well done for posting such facts :-)

[Adam]

No one can explain why Sheila would stay awake for another 4 hours. After killing everyone else. People just claim she did without any evidence, to support their innocence stance.

This is similar to saying Neville called the 5th furthest away police station at 3.26am.  Without any evidence. But only saying this if there is no chance of having to then explain how Sheila only took 15 minutes to do everything, when it would have taken her an hour. 

Or magnifying minor obstacles Bamber had in committing the massacre. But refusing to say how Sheila did it.

Or saying Sheila shot the twins first. But not giving an explanation of what Neville was doing at this time.

Or....

[lookout]

Get out of what? The absence of lividity and lack or rigor in Sheila make it IMPOSSIBLE for Jeremy to have committed the crime.

Now instead of trying to convince everyone Jeremy is guilty because he didn't reply to your letters or put you on the telephone list. I think you may need to get a new hobby. Picking poppies maybe? 

That explanation is correct and as I said yesterday internal cell breakdown is IMMEDIATE after death, thus causing LM within two hours in the first stages of that part of the body mass being in contact with the ground,back and legs.

Ingesting the poppies might help.

[Caroline]

Get out of what? The absence of lividity and lack or rigor in Sheila make it IMPOSSIBLE for Jeremy to have committed the crime.

Now instead of trying to convince everyone Jeremy is guilty because he didn't reply to your letters or put you on the telephone list. I think you may need to get a new hobby. Picking poppies maybe? 

Post as many pictures of other people where lividity has been confirmed as you like, The FACT is, it is also evident on Sheila's face.

Telephone list? You're becoming bitchy because you have no argument. It's you who needs a new hobby, the the forensic science isn't working out and you've become quite laughable. You accuse Adam of being obsessed with Jeremy, I think you should be concerned about yourself, not Adam!