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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2016, 07:51:AM »
Timed events, as of 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45am and 8.10am, were specific - two bodies found upon entry, body of a male, body of a female, a murder, a suicide, and a further three bodies upstairs. There is no getting away from these facts, the situation is set in stone, there exist timed events confirming this scenario. Who were the three victims mentioned as 'having been found upstairs at 8.10am'?

June, Daniel, and Nicholas?

Sheila, Daniel, and Nicholas?

Think about it, first two bodies found, body of one dead male (Ralph), and the body of one female (Sheila / June), first body described as a murder (Ralph), second body described as a suicide (Sheila / June)? According to the contents of the timed police message logs, by 7.45am, that particular morning two bodies had been found upon entry to the kitchen. So, forget about the issue involving a murder, and a suicide, for one moment. Concentrate on two bodies being reportedly found in the kitchen...

A 'male body', and a 'female body', was reportedly found upon entry to the kitchen - refer to the log contents timed at 7.37am, and 7.38am. These are recorded facts, not imagination. Police work, involves documented facts, and such facts or details are usually accompanied by a reference to the time such occurences took place. There's an old saying, 'if you want to know the time, ask a policeman'...

In this instance, that is precisely what we all must do - What time did police report finding the body of 'one' dead male, and the body of ' one' dead female? Well, we know that these reports were accompanied by the timings of 7.37am, and 7.38am...

There's no getting away from the truth in this matter, the facts speak for themselves, two bodies had been found, not just a single body. a dead male body, can easily be defined as being different to the find of a dead female body, referred to in the same documented logs. A male body, as opposed to a female body, both dead, time of messages 7.37am, and 7.38am. We also know, that as a result of the discovery of these two bodies (one male, one female) that a request was made for the police surgeon and the Coroners officer, to attend the incident involving the discovery of 'two bodies' by 7.42am...

Within three minutes of these latter requests being made (7.42am), staff in the control room were made aware that one of these two reported deaths was being described as having been a murder, whilst the second death had been spoken of in terms of it having been a suicide...

By 8.10am, if all of the aforementioned were true, then obviously with it being known or believed that the farmhouse had a total of five residents at that stage, that the other three victims had to be somewhere else inside the farmhouse (alive or dead). It therefore comes as no surprise to discover, that by this stage, 'a further three bodies' were found upstairs...

Based on the contents of the police radio message log events, everything appears tickityboo, two bodies downstairs, three bodies up, supported by 'timed' log entries. Everything fits snugly into the grand scheme of things. Nothing could be any clearer. PS Adams was the Commander of the firearms operation at the scene, from around 5am, until that time (8.10am)...

Then, something went terribly wrong inside the farmhouse...
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2016, 07:56:AM »
What could possibly have gone wrong, after 8.10am?
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2016, 08:00:AM »
What could possibly have gone wrong, after 8.10am?

Well, whatever did go wrong after 8.10am, resulted in the Commandership of the firearm operation changing hands in rather unusual and bizarre circumstances. Since, from 8.10am, onward, PI Montgomery became 'Commander', a role switch which caused a rift between Adams and Montgomery...

How did such a rift come about?
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #93 on: September 30, 2016, 08:16:AM »
Well, whatever did go wrong after 8.10am, resulted in the Commandership of the firearm operation changing hands in rather unusual and bizarre circumstances. Since, from 8.10am, onward, PI Montgomery became 'Commander', a role switch which caused a rift between Adams and Montgomery...

How did such a rift come about?

In a nutshell, the situation was not helped by the fact that Adams had remained in charge inside an outbuilding situated close to the farmhouse, after Montgomery, Harris and Gibbons went directly from 'there' into the farmhouse at around 8.15am. At that time, upon arrival of Montgomery, Harris and Gibbons inside the kitchen of the farmhouse, it became apparent that there was only a dead male body (Ralph) in the kitchen - for whatever reason, or whatever circumstance, the kitchen body count had taken a dramatic turn. There was only 'one body' present in the kitchen, a male body. This caused panic in the minds of Montgomery, Harris and Gibbons who had arrived in the kitchen, unarmed...

What we know, is that at this critical point, Montgomery assumed 'Commandership' of the ongoing operation from inside the kitchen. This coincided with the circumstances of the situation which arose from that stage onward, with the body of a female having previously been reported as present in the kitchen, having disappeared into some other part of the farmhouse. At this time, it is no coincidence to note that the telephone eavesdrop involving the kitchen phone with its handset off its cradle, being terminated to enable Harris to use the aforementioned kitchen handset to be used so that Harris could contact Simpson directly and update him with regard to the problem which had just arisen...

The female body was missing from the kitchen...
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #94 on: September 30, 2016, 01:46:PM »
It is irrelevant that just prior to the raid team forcing open the farmhouse door, that the body of Ralph Bamber was mistaken for the body of a female. Since, that mistake took place before police got inside the farmhouse. What we do know is that 'one police entered the kitchen, the aforementioned mistake would have been rectified, which does not help to explain the reported discovery of the bodies of one dead male, 'and' one dead female, found upon entry to the kitchen. This was confirmed a minute later, so everyone can be sure that Sheila was downstairs in the kitchen for the whole of the period 7.37am until 8.10am (33 minutes)...
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #95 on: September 30, 2016, 01:48:PM »
It is irrelevant that just prior to the raid team forcing open the farmhouse door, that the body of Ralph Bamber was mistaken for the body of a female. Since, that mistake took place before police got inside the farmhouse. What we do know is that 'one police entered the kitchen, the aforementioned mistake would have been rectified, which does not help to explain the reported discovery of the bodies of one dead male, 'and' one dead female, found upon entry to the kitchen. This was confirmed a minute later, so everyone can be sure that Sheila was downstairs in the kitchen for the whole of the period 7.37am until 8.10am (33 minutes)...

By the same token, there were only three additional bodies upstairs' throughout the same 33 minute period...
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2016, 01:53:PM »
What is of particular importance, are the circumstances which brought about a change in the body count downstairs, and upstairs?

One body (the body of a female) became displaced from its original location downstairs in the kitchen, to the main bedroom, upstairs...

How did this transition occur?

Did police carry her body physically upstairs, or did she make her own way from from one place to the other?
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2016, 01:54:PM »
Was she already wounded by that stage?
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2016, 02:02:PM »
Was she already wounded by that stage?

If so, who had shot her, and whereabouts inside the farmhouse did she first get shot? Upstairs? Downstairs?

Where was the gun which had fired the first shot?
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2016, 02:02:PM »
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #100 on: September 30, 2016, 08:44:PM »
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #101 on: September 30, 2016, 08:49:PM »
When police used the term, 'the body of one dead female' (7.37am), and 'One dead female' (7.38am) it meant that police thought Sheila had been killed and was presumed to have been dead in the kitchen...
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #102 on: September 30, 2016, 08:52:PM »
When police used the term, 'the body of one dead female' (7.37am), and 'One dead female' (7.38am) it meant that police thought Sheila had been killed and was presumed to have been dead in the kitchen...

Reference to 'the body of one dead female', and 'one dead female', aforementioned, was a reference to Sheila, not June Bamber. We know this because after June was shot she did not leave the bedroom at all...
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #103 on: September 30, 2016, 09:02:PM »
Reference to 'the body of one dead female', and 'one dead female', aforementioned, was a reference to Sheila, not June Bamber. We know this because after June was shot she did not leave the bedroom at all...

The fact that it was Sheila's body being referred to as 'dead' in the kitchen is concerned, this is reemphasized by confirmation by 'Linda' in the control room, contacting DS Davidson (SOCO) at his home address at 7.45am, requesting him to come on duty to the office because police are dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and a suicide. The male body (Ralph Bamber) was a murder, the female body could only have been a reference to Sheila Caffell, because it is not tenable to argue that June Bambers death was a suicide...
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Re: Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:
« Reply #104 on: September 30, 2016, 09:05:PM »
By 8.10am, police mistakenly assumed that the siege was over and done with, hence why Montgomery, Harris and Gibbons marched themselves unarmed into the main kitchen only to find the body of one dead male...
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