The twins.

[Jane]

I am more than happy to concede that there was no one waiting downstairs, however I think that
reinforces my theory.
If Sheila shot the children first which I firmly believe, because she didn't want them taken into care.
Her next target would have been June who suggested it. After hearing the shots Neville came to
investigate the noise of gun fire, and was shot through the arm. He ran downstairs to call Jeremy.
Sheila went to her mothers room and shot her, before going back downstairs to shoot her father, and then reloaded to finish the job.

Are you suggesting that Sheila already had the gun upstairs with her? From where are you suggesting Nevill came when he heard gun fire? Surely he'd have told Jeremy that Sheila had fired the gun rather than she'd got hold of it. I'm inclined to think that if she'd already shot the twins, his best bet was 999 rather than Jeremy.

[buddy]

Are you suggesting that Sheila already had the gun upstairs with her? From where are you suggesting Nevill came when he heard gun fire? Surely he'd have told Jeremy that Sheila had fired the gun rather than she'd got hold of it. I'm inclined to think that if she'd already shot the twins, his best bet was 999 rather than Jeremy.

No I am not suggesting Sheila already had the gun upstairs. I am suggesting he came from Sheila's room. I think Neville said she had gone beserk, and had the gun.

[Adam]

I am more than happy to concede that there was no one waiting downstairs, however I think that
reinforces my theory.
If Sheila shot the children first which I firmly believe, because she didn't want them taken into care.
Her next target would have been June who suggested it. After hearing the shots Neville came to
investigate the noise of gun fire, and was shot through the arm. He ran downstairs to call Jeremy.
Sheila went to her mothers room and shot her, before going back downstairs to shoot her father, and then reloaded to finish the job.

So now there wasn't an accomplice of Sheila's waiting for Neville in the kitchen.

So now Neville was not sleeping when Sheila opened fire. It was always a preposturous suggestion.

I wish you would make you're mind up. My breakdown of how Bamber committed the massacre hasn't changed from day one. It hasn't needed to.

My thread today shows it was impossible for Neville to be phoning Bamber when Sheila opened fire.  Bamber's CT agree as they say Neville also phoned the police 26 minutes later. He would only do this if everyone was still alive as it would be too late when the shooting started.

If Neville was  just shot once through the arm, wouldn't he still be able to overpower Sheila downstairs ?

Did Neville run downstairs to escape WHF and get help, or just to wait in the kitchen for Sheila to shoot him some more and brutally beat him, without getting a mark on her ? The evidence is Neville was shot 4 times upstairs.

[buddy]

So now there wasn't an accomplice of Sheila's waiting for Neville in the kitchen.

So now Neville was not sleeping when Sheila opened fire. It was a preposturous suggestion.

I wish you would make you're mind up. My breakdown of how Bamber committed the massacre hasn't changed from day one. It hasn't needed to.

My thread today shows it was impossible for Neville to be phoning Bamber when Sheila opened fire.  Bamber's CT agree as they say Neville also phoned the police 26 minutes later. He would only do if everyone was still alive as it would be too late when the shooting started.

If Neville was  just shot once through the arm, wouldn't he still be able to overpower Sheila downstairs ? Did he run downstairs to escape WHF, or just to wait on the kitchen for Sheila to shoot him some more ? The evidence is Neville was shot 4 times upstairs.

Read it again. Neville WAS sleeping. My suggestion in no more barmy than yours.
You want to think you are some sort of expert on this case. YOU ARE NOT., just theorys like the
rest of us.

[Adam]

Read it again. Neville WAS sleeping. My suggestion in no more barmy than yours.
You want to think you are some sort of expert on this case. YOU ARE NOT., just theorys like the
rest of us.

Sorry you're breakdown is not very clear.

Are you saying Sheila started shooting the twins multiple times while Neville was sleeping ?

Neville woke up and went to investigate.

Sheila amazingly still had bullets left. Neville got shot through the arm in the twins room. Although the  evidence does not show this.

Neville's decision after Sheila had shot him once and shot the twins 8 times was.........to phone Bamber.

[David1819]

I wish you would make you're mind up. My breakdown of how Bamber committed the massacre hasn't changed from day one. It hasn't needed to.

Really? what happened to Jeremy carrying Sheila? then changing the bed sheets?

That's a big alteration if you ask me

[Adam]

Really? what happened to Jeremy carrying Sheila? then changing the bed sheets?

That's a big alteration if you ask me

That is details. My breakdown is the basics. I will re post. Only fair as Buddy is making an effort.

[David1819]

The quote you put doesn't dismiss the 2002 statement that Sheila's legs were pulled after the second shot. You said yourself she was sitting up when shot leaning against the bedside cabinet. She would have just died sitting up. So legs pulled by Bamber.

You putting words in my mouth. I believe she was sitting up and fell back were she was found not moved at all. Only her hand by police

[buddy]

Sorry you're breakdown is not very clear.

Are you saying Sheila started shooting the twins multiple times while Neville was sleeping ?

Neville woke up and went to investigate.

Sheila amazingly still had bullets left. Neville got shot through the arm in the twins room. Although the  evidence does not show this.

Neville's decision after Sheila had shot him once and shot the twins 8 times was.........to phone Bamber.

Half of what you have posted I did not say.
Why exactly are you here. This is a debating chamber, not a dictator chamber.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6549.msg295162.html#msg295162

Reply 4.

[Adam]

You putting words in my mouth. I believe she was sitting up and fell back were she was found not moved at all. Only her hand by police

So Sheila was sitting up prior to her fatal neck shot from a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

The fatal shot moved Sheila's lower body at least two feet forward. So she was lying down.

[buddy]

So Sheila was sitting up prior to her fatal neck shot from a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

The fatal shot moved Sheila's lower body at least two feet forward. So she was lying down.

Her head was to the side of the bedside cabinet. Not two foot away.

[Adam]

Half of what you have posted I did not say.
Why exactly are you here. This is a debating chamber, not a dictator chamber.

I'm trying to debate you're breakdown. And praise you for trying. Virtually all current and former supporters have refused.

It seems you believe Neville was sleeping when Sheila opened fire.

Neville heard the shots and went to the twins room where he was shot in the arm. This refutes the evidence.

Neville ran downstairs to phone Bamber and said 11 words to him. Then rang the police 26 minutes later.

Sheila shot June and now had no bullets. She then went downstairs to brutally beat Neville and knock him out. Without getting a mark on her although Neville just had one bullet in his arm.

Sheila then reloaded to fire more bullets into Neville.

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Why does the evidence show Neville was shot four times from close range in the main bedroom ? 

And why did Neville choose to ring Bamber and not 999 for medical and police assistance ? To be honest it was much too late to do either. Sheila had a gun and was firing bullets.

What happened in the 26 minutes between Neville's call to Bamber and Neville's call to the police.

[Adam]

Her head was to the side of the bedside cabinet. Not two foot away.

Sheila's torso is at least 2 feet.

Her lower body would have to move two feet forward for the upper  torso to move from a sitting up to a lying down position.

One shot to the neck won't do this. Only an alive person can move themselves into this position. Someone pulled her legs after the second shot.

[buddy]

Sheila's torso is at least 2 feet.

Her lower body would have to move two feet forward for the upper  torso to move from a sitting up to a lying down position.

One shot to the neck won't do this. Only an alive person can move themselves into this position. Someone pulled her legs.

Police did then.