Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[David1819]

How have you deduced this..

Because the crime scene shows the twins were first to go. That is why this appeared in Mugfords 23rd statement. They were giving her facts of the crime so she could attribute it to Jeremy allegedly telling her the information.

[Adam]

I also believe Jeremy would have gone for Neville first. However if Jeremy did commit the crime he must have killed the twins first. However the twins being shot first point to Sheila being behind the trigger

The problem is there is no evidence Sheila committed the massacre. And no one is able to explain how she comitted the massacre. So the suspects are rounded down to Bamber.

[Steve_uk]

Again it does.

The guilter scenario is as follows.

Jeremy starts the massacre by fireing 11 shots into June and Neville upstairs. Not only have 11 shots been fired but June has survived and is walking with her vocal organs undamaged, she will be screaming. While June is upstairs in agony Jeremy and Neville are having a life and death fight in the kitchen.

Its is impossible for the Twins to sleep through this noise and even if for argument sake we assume they will sleep through it, Shelia would wake up and instinctively rush to the twins to see if they are OK thus waking them up. There are two aspects of the scenario that will trigger the twins to wake up. Thus making the scenario incompatible with the crime scene

What nonsense. June was peppered with bullets which went through the pillow and pinned her to the bed. Within the short space of time that Jeremy chased or marched Nevill downstairs and beat him in the kitchen she had managed to swing her legs onto the side of the bed and walk a few steps. She may well have been trying to conserve her energy and there's no indication that she made any noise. It's likely that the twins were already dead, Sheila being so spaced out it was easy for Jeremy to lead her to her death like a lamb to the slaughter.

[Steve_uk]

Because the crime scene shows the twins were first to go. That is why this appeared in Mugfords 23rd statement. They were giving her facts of the crime so she could attribute it to Jeremy allegedly telling her the information.

Again this is pure speculation and should be treated as such.

[sami]

Two shooters.

sorry buddy,but what do you mean.sc and someone else or jb and someone else

[Adam]

What nonsense. June was peppered with bullets which went through the pillow and pinned her to the bed. Within the short space of time that Jeremy chased or marched Nevill downstairs and beat him in the kitchen she had managed to swing her legs onto the side of the bed and walk a few steps. She may well have been trying to conserve her energy and there's no indication that she made any noise. It's likely that the twins were already dead, Sheila being so spaced out it was easy for Jeremy to lead her to her death like a lamb to the slaughter.

Wasn't Sheila under sedation ? The 2002 appeal says so.

This firstly means it is much less likely Sheila would be awake and in a rage.

It would be easier for Bamber to lead Sheila to her death.

[sami]

Again this is pure speculation and should be treated as such.

steve we wont get an answer ,cause they is none.how david has worked out that the crime scene shows twins were first ,beats me

[David1819]

What nonsense. June was peppered with bullets which went through the pillow and pinned her to the bed. Within the short space of time that Jeremy chased or marched Nevill downstairs and beat him in the kitchen she had managed to swing her legs onto the side of the bed and walk a few steps. She may well have been trying to conserve her energy and there's no indication that she made any noise. It's likely that the twins were already dead, Sheila being so spaced out it was easy for Jeremy to lead her to her death like a lamb to the slaughter.

Your saying June being shot in the middle of the night would not make her scream? LOL

Sheila "being so spaced out" is a myth put forward by guilters to try and exclude as a suspected and fit the crime scene. Her medication was reduced by half not long before the shootings, She attended a house party several days before the shootings. She managed to walk across the farm/fields to see Jeremy on the day of shootings.

[David1819]

steve we wont get an answer ,cause they is none.how david has worked out that the crime scene shows twins were first ,beats me

I have given you the answer. I can only explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you

[sami]

Wasn't Sheila under sedation ? The 2002 appeal says so.

This firstly means it is much less likely Sheila would be awake and in a rage.

It would be easier for Bamber to lead Sheila to her death.

yes ,dci miller thought the same

[buddy]

sorry buddy,but what do you mean.sc and someone else or jb and someone else

Dunno Sami. It could have been SC and the one she was caught having sex with by June.
We still do not know that the Pargetter BRNO was still at the farm.

[Adam]

Your saying June being shot in the middle of the night would not make her scream? LOL

Sheila "being so spaced out" is a myth put forward by guilters to try and exclude as a suspected and fit the crime scene. Her medication was reduced by half not long before the shootings, She attended a house party several days before the shootings. She managed to walk across the farm/fields to see Jeremy on the day of shootings.

I don't know a posdible feeble scream from a dying June would wake up Sheila. Who was in another room of a big house. Asleep with the door shut.

Reduced by half. But still under substantial sedation.

[David1819]

I don't know a posdible feeble scream from a dying June would wake up Sheila. Who was in another room of a big house. Asleep with the door shut.

Reduced by half. But still under substantial sedation.

Then how did she manage to go that party then?

[sami]

Dunno Sami. It could have been SC and the one she was caught having sex with by June.
We still do not know that the Pargetter BRNO was still at the farm.

oh i see.that incident in the fields happened when sc was teenager ,did they let the farm hand involved remain working on the farm

[Steve_uk]

Your saying June being shot in the middle of the night would not make her scream? LOL

Sheila "being so spaced out" is a myth put forward by guilters to try and exclude as a suspected and fit the crime scene. Her medication was reduced by half not long before the shootings, She attended a house party several days before the shootings. She managed to walk across the farm/fields to see Jeremy on the day of shootings.

She used to stay in bed during the week and save her energy for her sons' weekend stay. She had so little energy or awareness of her surroundings her hair was dirty and she had B.O. She showed all the signs of overdose of Haloperidol as it had built up in her system, which was why the medication was reduced by half. At the house party you mention she was spaced out, she had a vacant stare and asked to leave early. Ditto the journey to White House Farm and the evidence of the Tiptree shopkeeper.

It really won't do you any good to live in denial and I just hope that Colin doesn't read some of the posts on this site.