Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[Steve_uk]

excellently spotted adam.8 shots in to the twins leaving 3 for the adults .'never'.we know nb took 4 and still manged to get to the kitchen.but lets wait for davids answer as to how the crime scene shows twins were killed first

I think they probably were: it makes sense for the murderer to practise on the rifle to check that's in in working order, terrible as that thought sounds.

[sami]

I think they probably were: it makes sense for the murderer to practise on the rifle to check that's in in working order, terrible as that thought sounds.

maybe steve but david said the crime scene shows their were killed first.my own opinion is jb would have tested the rifle the evening before when he says he saw rabbits he probably took the sights off aswell .we only have his word that no shots were fired .the rabbits had disappeared.

[David1819]

Bamber would have been crazy to shoot the twins first. Using up 8 bullets then going back downstairs to reload.

If one or more adults woke he would have just 3 bullets left to confront them.

The fact the crime scene shows the twins were killed first points to Sheila being the perpetrator. That is why you are denying this or trying to make it seem implausible.

However I have already put forward a logical answer for the guilt scenario before. Jeremy shoots the twins first, one shot to the head each. Then when everyone else is eliminated he reloads and fires more shots at the corpses to make it look like psychotic overkill.

But if he did shoot them first and got away with it, the evidence shows Sheila didn't wake and go into the main bedroom. As there was none of June's blood all over her hands and feet.

Your going round in circles with ideas that have been debunked

Bamber supporters have to admit the evidence shows June and the twins slept through a loud Sheila massacre. All three were shot multiple times with their heads on the pillow. So I don't know why supporters say Sheila would have woken in Bamber's relatively quiet massacre.

Quiet massacre? LOL

[Adam]

The fact the crime scene shows the twins were killed first points to Sheila being the perpetrator. That is why you are denying this or trying to make it seem implausible.

However I have already put forward a logical answer for the guilt scenario before. Jeremy shoots the twins first, one shot to the head each. Then when everyone else is eliminated he reloads and fires more shots at the corpses to make it look like psychotic overkill.

Your going round in circles with ideas that have been debunked

Quiet massacre? LOL

How does the crime scene show the twins were killed first ?

Yes it is possible Bamber shot the twins once each intially. Then went straight to the main bedroom and fired nine bullets into June and Neville.  Thank you.

It certainly wasn't a quiet 'Sheila' massacre. Neville had to ring Bamber and say 11 words to him. But June and the twins slept through it.

[Steve_uk]

The fact the crime scene shows the twins were killed first points to Sheila being the perpetrator. That is why you are denying this or trying to make it seem implausible.

However I have already put forward a logical answer for the guilt scenario before. Jeremy shoots the twins first, one shot to the head each. Then when everyone else is eliminated he reloads and fires more shots at the corpses to make it look like psychotic overkill.

Your going round in circles with ideas that have been debunked

Quiet massacre? LOL

Again it points to nothing of the kind.

[David1819]

How does the crime scene show the twins were killed first ?

Yes it is possible Bamber shot the twins once each intially. Then went straight to the main bedroom and fired nine bullets into June and Neville.  Thank you.

It certainly wasn't a quiet 'Sheila' massacre. Neville had to ring Bamber and say 11 words to him. But June and the twins slept through it.

I have already explained to you how the crime scene show's the twins were shot first.

Now. can you please give me your take on Mugfords statement on 23rd saying the twins were shot first 

[sami]

How does the crime scene show the twins were killed first ?

Yes it is possible Bamber shot the twins once each intially. Then went straight to the main bedroom and fired nine bullets into June and Neville.  Thank you.

It certainly wasn't a quiet 'Sheila' massacre. Neville had to ring Bamber and say 11 words to him. But June and the twins slept through it.

ive asked him to explain your first question 6 times adam ,still no answer.what would have happened if after leaving the twins with a shot apiece  and coming out of the room he was ambushed by an awake neville.too risky for me,i think he would have taken out the biggest threat to his plan first.ie nb,jb,sc,and the twins.imo

[Adam]

It's good that everyone has a different view of how Bamber committed the massacre.

I believe he would have gone after the biggest threat first - Neville.

David believes Bamber shot both twins first before going straight to the main bedroom.

The order is not vitally important. The twins were shot 8 times, Neville and June 7 and 8 times and Sheila twice. That is important.

[Adam]

ive asked him to explain your first question 6 times adam ,still no answer.what would have happened if after leaving the twins with a shot apiece  and coming out of the room he was ambushed by an awake neville.too risky for me,i think he would have taken out the biggest threat to his plan first.ie nb,jb,sc,and the twins.imo

To be fair David is not saying Bamber shot the twins 8 times and then went downstairs to re load.

He is saying Bamber shot each twin once, then entered the main bedroom with 9 bullets. Which is possible.

[David1819]

Again it points to nothing of the kind.

Again it does.

The guilter scenario is as follows.

Jeremy starts the massacre by fireing 11 shots into June and Neville upstairs. Not only have 11 shots been fired but June has survived and is walking with her vocal organs undamaged, she will be screaming. While June is upstairs in agony Jeremy and Neville are having a life and death fight in the kitchen.

Its is impossible for the Twins to sleep through this noise and even if for argument sake we assume they will sleep through it, Shelia would wake up and instinctively rush to the twins to see if they are OK thus waking them up. There are two aspects of the scenario that will trigger the twins to wake up. Thus making the scenario incompatible with the crime scene

[David1819]

It's good that everyone has a different view of how Bamber committed the massacre.

I believe he would have gone after the biggest threat first - Neville.

David believes Bamber shot both twins first before going straight to the main bedroom.

The order is not vitally important. The twins were shot 8 times, Neville and June 7 and 8 times and Sheila twice. That is important.

I also believe Jeremy would have gone for Neville first. However if Jeremy did commit the crime he must have killed the twins first. However the twins being shot first point to Sheila being behind the trigger

[Steve_uk]

I have already explained to you how the crime scene show's the twins were shot first.

Now. can you please give me your take on Mugfords statement on 23rd saying the twins were shot first 

She's chronicling a period of almost two years, a warts and all picture of a rollercoaster relationship in which murder was discussed from a man she idolized. Julie does get things wrong, including the dates she underwent teaching practice and although the murders fall undoubtedly into a different category I see no reason to doubt the substance of what she is saying.

[Steve_uk]

I also believe Jeremy would have gone for Neville first. However if Jeremy did commit the crime he must have killed the twins first. However the twins being shot first point to Sheila being behind the trigger

How have you deduced this..

[David1819]

She's chronicling a period of almost two years, a warts and all picture of a rollercoaster relationship in which murder was discussed from a man she idolized. Julie does get things wrong, including the dates she underwent teaching practice and although the murders fall undoubtedly into a different category I see no reason to doubt the substance of what she is saying.

No Steve. this is under two month after the massacre she is saying this

[buddy]

Two shooters.