Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[sami]

Given that he didn't finish the work in the fields and left his farther to bring in the last trailer full of rape seed (or so he said), they MAY have argued over him going home before completing the job. BW said that Nevill sounded as though he had just been arguing with someone - so. being pissed off, Jeremy goes home and calls Julie "tonight's the night". He MAY have decided to return to WHF on a ruse of making things good with his dad. That gets him in the house, so no break in required. He returned anyway, we know that, it's the time he returned that's in question but once inside the house and with the bonus of not having to sneak around, he was in a much better position to corry out the plan.

yes caroline i agree with that.nb's  arguement that night could have been with jb and not sc.he might have made up some cock n bull story about having to leave without bringing in the last trailer.all he had to say was i have to go and get something from goldhanger

[David1819]

June was shot multiple times by Bamber in his opening salvo, while she slept.  Her pillow had blood on.

People usually scream when something is about to happen and they are scrared. June wasn't scared as she was asleep.

After the shots she would have been in shock and extreme pre death pain. She moved a bit. But it's doubtful she screamed as she was now in survival mode.

She just receives five non fatal shots, none of them damaging vocal cords. She gets out of bed and walks or runs round the bed towards the door by Neville's side of the bed then turns round and walks or runs across the room back to the other door and collapses by the door. She then dies when the shooter has reloaded to put a further two bullets in her head.

It is not plausible that June would not make a significant amount of noise during the events on that night. She would be Either shouting for help, shouting for Neville, screaming from fear, screaming from pain or a combination of all.

Imagine yourself in Junes situation would you be silent? It would be extremely difficult even if you tried.

[sami]

why did jb ever admit he could gain access to whf through the locked window.police would not be able to prove it .so why admit it.'theres a reason 'but we have to work it out.carolines idea that it was to show he could get in but could not lock the window on the way out.sounds good

[Steve_uk]

She just receives five non fatal shots, none of them damaging vocal cords. She gets out of bed and walks or runs round the bed towards the door by Neville's side of the bed then turns round and walks or runs across the room back to the other door and collapses by the door. She then dies when the shooter has reloaded to put a further two bullets in her head.

It is not plausible that June would not make a significant amount of noise during the events on that night. She would be Either shouting for help, shouting for Neville, screaming from fear, screaming from pain or a combination of all.

Imagine yourself in Junes situation would you be silent? It would be extremely difficult even if you tried.

For a slightly built 62-year-old peppered with bullets it probably took all her strength to work her way out of bed.

[Adam]

no it was to leave the car there.so when he returned to goldhanger after the murders he could ride home on the bike.you should know that jb could not drive home after the killings in case his car was seen or heard.and even you adam should be able to conclude jb could not drive home in the pitch black without lights.common sense adam.its not well lit city roads.but pitchblack country lanes

I meant what would he tell Neville and June. That he wanted to stay the night with them. After driving off earlier.

People should just go by the evidence - 

People heard him drive off.

He phoned Julie.

No one heard or saw him drive back pre massacre when it would have been quite early.

He brought Junes bike over before the massacre.

He knew how to cycle to and from WHF.

He knew how to quietly get into the bathroom window.

No one saw him drive back to his cottage after the massacre.

The police passed his car on the way to WHF.

[sami]

I meant what would he tell Neville and June. That he wanted to stay the night with them. After driving off earlier.

People should just go by the evidence - 

People heard him drive off.

He phoned Julie.

No one heard or saw him drive back pre massacre when it would have been quite early.

He brought Junes bike over before the massacre.

He knew how to cycle to and from WHF.

He knew how to quietly get into the bathroom window.

The police passed his car on the way to WHF.

your correct adam.but sometimes its ok to think out of the box,in other words like you said get into the mind of jb and think what would have been the easiest and safest way he could have done it.they are only opinions and both work.entered or stayed

[David1819]

why did jb ever admit he could gain access to whf through the locked window.police would not be able to prove it .so why admit it.'theres a reason 'but we have to work it out.carolines idea that it was to show he could get in but could not lock the window on the way out.sounds good

We have already been through this. JB entered the house on the 16th of September via the bathroom window using the hacksaw. Police carried out thorough investigations on all windows in early September when suspicion was mounting, they found no evidence of any forced entry on those windows. Thus Jeremy did not enter via the bathroom window on the night of the murders or anytime between June to September the 16th.

The theory of him proving he could enter via the bathroom window when he infact didn't enter that way at all does not make sense.

[sami]

We have already been through this. JB entered the house on the 16th of September via the bathroom window using the hacksaw. Police carried out thorough investigations on all windows in early September when suspicion was mounting, they found no evidence of any forced entry on those windows. Thus Jeremy did not enter via the bathroom window on the night of the murders or anytime between June to September the 16th.

The theory of him proving he could enter via the bathroom window when he infact didn't enter that way at all does not make sense.

yes i didnt think it would make sense to you .but people who belive jb is guilty will know what iam on about.the above post of yours is only an opinion

[Caroline]

We have already been through this. JB entered the house on the 16th of September via the bathroom window using the hacksaw. Police carried out thorough investigations on all windows in early September when suspicion was mounting, they found no evidence of any forced entry on those windows. Thus Jeremy did not enter via the bathroom window on the night of the murders or anytime between June to September the 16th.

The theory of him proving he could enter via the bathroom window when he infact didn't enter that way at all does not make sense.

We have been through this before. Of course he could have still entered via the same window, he was at WHF earlier so could easily have left the window unlatched. He didn't need to force it.

So it does make sense because he could still have entered that way.He could also have beenwinding up the police having just learned that they suspected he entered WHF that way.

[David1819]

yes i didnt think it would make sense to you .but people who belive jb is guilty will know what iam on about.the above post of yours is only an opinion

No Sami, its not an opinion. I have already uploaded the relevant scripts and even highlighted the relevant areas if you don't want to read the whole thing.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7774.msg367723.html#msg367723

[Caroline]

No Sami, its not an opinion. I have already uploaded the relevant scripts and even highlighted the relevant areas if you don't want to read the whole thing.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7774.msg367723.html#msg367723

It's not an opinion about the window being painted, it IS an opinion that Jeremy couldn't have entered that window.

[sami]

No Sami, its not an opinion. I have already uploaded the relevant scripts and even highlighted the relevant areas if you don't want to read the whole thing.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7774.msg367723.html#msg367723

no experiments were done to see if the window could be opened with a penknife and not leave any marks.until that can be proven or unproven.its just an opinion

[Steve_uk]

No Sami, its not an opinion. I have already uploaded the relevant scripts and even highlighted the relevant areas if you don't want to read the whole thing.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7774.msg367723.html#msg367723

The print could be a bit bigger.

[Caroline]

no experiments were done to see if the window could be opened with a penknife and not leave any marks.until that can be proven or unproven.its just an opinion

He could easily have left the window open.

[sami]

He could easily have left the window open.

agreed he is cunning enough