Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[Adam]

jane i myself would not wake even if i was tipped out of bed onto the floor .once i was in the deep sleep nothing could wake me.we dont know sc sleeping patterns.ive asked my doctor once why i dont have dreams or cant remember my dreams.he blamed it on  long term cannibas abuse

Ditto me. Although I suspect I would wake if Bamber tried to lift me. Being 6 feet and 13 stone.

[sami]

So I think we've established that you're not a mother whose brained is wired to "Alert" in case her children wake up and need her!!!!

Re your dreams. Whilst I was training, I was encouraged to write my dreams down as soon as I woke -something I never really got to grips with- I have since discovered that, in the main, the only dreams I remember are those I have very close to waking.

jane after my pm to you sometime back ,i think you already  know iam not a mother  or a female.there are also mothers that abuse their kids and let others do the same.i cant agree that every mother is the same or like yourself.there are mothers in the 3rd world countries that sell their 8 to 15year old girls for sex.on the dreams part iam the same its like once ive nodded off i wake in the morning and cant remember a thing.

[Jane]

jane after my pm to you sometime back ,i think you already  know iam not a mother  or a female.there are also mothers that abuse their kids and let others do the same.i cant agree that every mother is the same or like yourself.there are mothers in the 3rd world countries that sell their 8 to 15year old girls for sex.on the dreams part iam the same its like once ive nodded off i wake in the morning and cant remember a thing.

Aww So sorry, Sami. The first paragraph was entirely meant as tongue in cheek. I had no thoughts of causing you offence.

[sami]

its a near perfect crime.when it comes to exactly how it was done even people who believe he's guilty will have different opinions.its human nature.thats all they are opinions.i wont argue if some believe he stayed the night or came in through the window.'no witnesses 'to confirm one against the other and the same with sc sleeping with june theory.or being led to the bedroom theory.

[sami]

Aww So sorry, Sami. The first paragraph was entirely meant as tongue in cheek. I had no thoughts of causing you offence.

thats alright jane.i know no offence was intended.x

[David1819]

There you go again. Trying to magnify minor obstacles for Bamber.

June was shot in the neck. And shot several more times. So wouldn't be screaming. The twins or Sheila did not wake.

June's neckshot was near the collarbone. Its almost bordering on being a shot to the chest rather than the neck.  It wound not in any way prevent her from screaming

[Caroline]

June's neckshot was near the collarbone. Its almost bordering on being a shot to the chest rather than the neck.  It wound not in any way prevent her from screaming

No, but we don't know that she did.

[Adam]

June's neckshot was near the collarbone. Its almost bordering on being a shot to the chest rather than the neck.  It wound not in any way prevent her from screaming

June was shot multiple times by Bamber in his opening salvo, while she slept.  Her pillow had blood on.

People usually scream when something is about to happen and they are scrared. June wasn't scared as she was asleep.

After the shots she would have been in shock and extreme pre death pain. She moved a bit. But it's doubtful she screamed as she was now in survival mode.

[Adam]

But you're NOT Bamber and what you believe, IN THEORY, to be the way you'd have done it, in practice may NOT have worked for anyone else.

I am not Bamber. But I am a fellow man putting myself into Bamber's shoes.

Supporters always asked how Bamber managed to persuade Sheila to lie down and let herself be shot. Saying Sheila would have fought to save her and her childrens life. I have given an answer.

[Adam]

its a near perfect crime.when it comes to exactly how it was done even people who believe he's guilty will have different opinions.its human nature.thats all they are opinions.i wont argue if some believe he stayed the night or came in through the window.'no witnesses 'to confirm one against the other and the same with sc sleeping with june theory.or being led to the bedroom theory.

There are witnesses who say he drove off from WHF pre massacre. It is also correct he phoned Julie and correct he took Junes bike to his cottage pre massacre. The police also passed him when driving to WHF.

The evidence also shows Sheila did not walk on the main bedroom floor after June was shot. So she was either already in bed with June, to be nearer her sons. Or she was carried and then ambused while asleep or half awake. 

[Jane]

I am not Bamber. But I am a fellow man putting myself into Bamber's shoes.

Supporters always asked how Bamber managed to persuade Sheila to lie down and let herself be shot. Saying Sheila would have fought to save her and her childrens life. I have given an answer.

Certainly you've given an answer. Indeed, you've given the only answer possible for you ie your own take on what happened. Until/unless Jeremy confesses you/we will never know if you put yourself in his shoes.

[sami]

There are witnesses who say he drove off from WHF pre massacre. It is also correct he phoned Julie and correct he took Junes bike to his cottage pre massacre. The police also passed him when driving to WHF.

The evidence also shows Sheila did not walk on the main bedroom floor after June was shot. So she was either already in bed with June, to be nearer her sons. Or she was carried and then ambused while asleep or half awake.

true adam.but theres no reason why he couldnt have returned on the bike to stay the night.and like caroline said he may have been watching that tv program at whf and not  at goldhanger.imo it would have been far easier and safer for him to stay the night .thats just my thoughts on how i would have done it.

[Adam]

true adam.but theres no reason why he couldnt have returned on the bike to stay the night.and like caroline said he may have been watching that tv program at whf and not  at goldhanger.imo it would have been far easier and safer for him to stay the night .thats just my thoughts on how i would have done it.

Why would he go home and then return to stay the night ? Was he missing his mum and dad ?

[sami]

Why would he go home and then return to stay the night ? Was he missing his mum and dad ?

no it was to leave the car there.so when he returned to goldhanger after the murders he could ride home on the bike.you should know that jb could not drive home after the killings in case his car was seen or heard.and even you adam should be able to conclude jb could not drive home in the pitch black without lights.common sense adam.its not well lit city roads.but pitchblack country lanes

[Caroline]

Why would he go home and then return to stay the night ? Was he missing his mum and dad ?

Given that he didn't finish the work in the fields and left his farther to bring in the last trailer full of rape seed (or so he said), they MAY have argued over him going home before completing the job. BW said that Nevill sounded as though he had just been arguing with someone - so. being pissed off, Jeremy goes home and calls Julie "tonight's the night". He MAY have decided to return to WHF on a ruse of making things good with his dad. That gets him in the house, so no break in required. He returned anyway, we know that, it's the time he returned that's in question but once inside the house and with the bonus of not having to sneak around, he was in a much better position to corry out the plan.