Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[Adam]

Its not possible to shoot someone in the neck, cover their wound with hanky and carry them around with out leaving a bloody mess.

For Adams theory to be possible, Jeremy would need someone else with him on standby ready to instantly press the hankercheif against her neck the split second the bullet hits.

It was a rifle for shooting vermin. Not a shot gun. And one shot.

I also said he may have carried her prior to shooting her. But you don't believe grown men are strong enough for that. Despite my video.

How do you believe Bamber got Sheila into the main bedroom ?

[Caroline]

It was a rifle for shooting vermin. Not a shot gun. And one shot.

I also said he may have carried her prior to shooting her. But you don't believe grown men are strong enough for that. Despite my video.

How do you believe Bamber got Sheila into the main bedroom ?

She was already in there.

[Jane]

If he had shot her once he would assume she was dead.

Of if she was asleep and not shot prior to entering the main bedroom, she would have taken more than a few seconds to realise Bamber was carrying her to her death.

How do you believe Bamber got Sheila into the main bedroom ?

Well, before I START to think about it, I most certainly DON'T believe he shoved/worked his two hands under her sleeping body without disturbing her sleep. I'll be perfectly honest, I don't know for certain, but I don't believe it's beyond the realms of possibility that she was already IN the master bedroom, although I won't be making any wild and sweeping statements.

[Adam]

Lots of possibilities 

She was lead.

Ordered.

Persuaded.

Carried.

A combination of the above.

Shot and carried.

Woken and persuaded before being picked up and ambused upon entering the main bedroom.

Already in there.


Obviously she did not wake and go into the main bedroom. Otherwise her hands and feet would have Junes blood on.

[Adam]

Neville must have good ears. Bamber had the silencer attached and June and Sheila would have made little noise after being shot multiple times.

[David1819]

Neville must have good ears. Bamber had the silencer attached and June and Sheila would have made little noise after being shot multiple times.

June was shot five times and walked around the room for a while before collapsing, Neville was shot near the doorway to the main bedroom several times. June would be screaming and I am sure Neville would make some noise while retreating down the stairs. Combine this with the shots going off and the dog reacting. Then we have the alleged epic struggle in the kitchen with plates smashing and shots going off.

It does not seem plausible to me that Sheila and the twins would sleep through this.


 

[sami]

the fact is its not impossible.maybe unlikly.but not impossible.if sc did sleep with june,than jb must have done some bedmaking because the other beds in whf were made up and looked as if nobody slept in them. or neville was awake all night and morning.we can only surmise what happened.jb knows the full story.interestingly dci miller thought she may have been led at riflepoint while groggy from medication.i wont disagree with a guilter about the in's and out's .

[sami]

June was shot five times and walked around the room for a while before collapsing, Neville was shot near the doorway to the main bedroom several times. June would be screaming and I am sure Neville would make some noise while retreating down the stairs. Combine this with the shots going off and the dog reacting. Then we have the alleged epic struggle in the kitchen with plates smashing and shots going off.

It does not seem plausible to me that Sheila and the twins would sleep through this.

everyones sleep patterns are different.but iam sure most people have a deep period of sleep once they have nodded off.may only be an hour or several hours but in that deep sleeping state their are dead to the world and wouldnt wake even if the fat guy from the go compare adverts was shouting his song in their ears,'iam one of them'

[Jane]

everyones sleep patterns are different.but iam sure most people have a deep period of sleep once they have nodded off.may only be an hour or several hours but in that deep sleeping state their are dead to the world and wouldnt wake even if the fat guy from the go compare adverts was shouting his song in their eyes,'iam one of them'

Sami, do you believe they'd sleep through strange hands groping their way under them to get enough purchase to lift them?

[Adam]

June was shot five times and walked around the room for a while before collapsing, Neville was shot near the doorway to the main bedroom several times. June would be screaming and I am sure Neville would make some noise while retreating down the stairs. Combine this with the shots going off and the dog reacting. Then we have the alleged epic struggle in the kitchen with plates smashing and shots going off.

It does not seem plausible to me that Sheila and the twins would sleep through this.

There you go again. Trying to magnify minor obstacles for Bamber.

June was shot in the neck. And shot several more times. So wouldn't be screaming. The twins or Sheila did not wake.

The kitchen fight was downstairs in a  big house and the rifle had a silencer on. I suspect little Crispy was cowering somewhere.

[sami]

Sami, do you believe they'd sleep through strange hands groping their way under them to get enough purchase to lift them?

jane i myself would not wake even if i was tipped out of bed onto the floor .once i was in the deep sleep nothing could wake me.we dont know sc sleeping patterns.ive asked my doctor once why i dont have dreams or cant remember my dreams.he blamed it on  long term cannibas abuse

[sami]

There you go again. Trying to magnify minor obstacles for Bamber.

June was shot in the neck. And shot several more times. So wouldn't be screaming. The twins or Sheila did not wake.

The kitchen fight was downstairs in a  big house and the rifle had a silencer on. I suspect little Crispy was cowering somewhere.

crispy certainly didnt attack or bark at the armed team when they entered .

[Adam]

If I was Bamber I would attempt to carry an asleep Sheila a few feet. It would only take a few seconds.

It would give me the best chance of an accurate shot.

She may not wake. If she did start to wake it would take several minutes before she had a clue what was happening. By then it would be much too late.

[Jane]

jane i myself would not wake even if i was tipped out of bed onto the floor .once i was in the deep sleep nothing could wake me.we dont know sc sleeping patterns.ive asked my doctor once why i dont have dreams or cant remember my dreams.he blamed it on  long term cannibas abuse

So I think we've established that you're not a mother whose brained is wired to "Alert" in case her children wake up and need her!!!!

Re your dreams. Whilst I was training, I was encouraged to write my dreams down as soon as I woke -something I never really got to grips with- I have since discovered that, in the main, the only dreams I remember are those I have very close to waking.

[Jane]

If I was Bamber I would attempt to carry an asleep Sheila a few feet. It would only take a few seconds.

It would give me the best chance of an accurate shot.

She may not wake. If she did start to wake it would take several minutes before she had a clue what was happening. By then it would be much too late.

But you're NOT Bamber and what you believe, IN THEORY, to be the way you'd have done it, in practice may NOT have worked for anyone else.