Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[Jane]

if after shooting her in bed he immediatly placed a cloth or rag on the wound than lifted her and placed her in the main bedroom.would there be a blood trail.i doubt it very much.its not IMPOSSIBLE

But no wriggle room if things don't go to plan in the wrong room. It only needed one drop of blood.

[Adam]

if after shooting her in bed he immediatly placed a cloth or rag on the wound than lifted her and placed her in the main bedroom.would there be a blood trail.i doubt it very much.its not IMPOSSIBLE

That's what myself and another poster on Red said. It is possible.

[Adam]

I thought bedclothes and carpets were destroyed anyway. So no proof one way or the other.

[sami]

could jb be sure that sc would do exactly what he told her to while pointing the rifle at her.we know nb did not he ran .he couldnt be sure sc woudnt do the same he would than have to subdue her in a way which could still leave the suicide theory intact

[Adam]

David knew about the thread on Sheila perhaps being shot in bed. He posted on it, but was very quiet on it.

He then waited until I wasn't about today,  and then tried to undermine me by making a sweeping statement about me mentioning this possibility,  on this thread. Calling me a wind up.

This was similar to his claim about me asking whether Sheila knew where the bible was. He was aware that was just one of over 20 questions in my bible thread. But wanted to try to undermine me by trying to laugh at just one.

[Adam]

could jb be sure that sc would do exactly what he told her to while pointing the rifle at her.we know nb did not he ran .he couldnt be sure sc woudnt do the same he would than have to subdue her in a way which could still leave the suicide theory intact

That is correct.

I have previously suggested he carried an asleep Sheila a few feet. To lift a very light woman a few feet and carry her would be easy for a man like Bamber. It would only take a few seconds.

Sheila may not wake or if she did she wouldn't have a clue what was happening until it was much too late.

Again that explains Sheila's clean hands and feet.

[David1819]

That's what myself and another poster on Red said. It is possible.

Adam. Anyone with a shade of sense can see why the idea is ridiculous. As its goes Its strikingly similar to Mike's theory of Police shooting Sheila in the kitchen then carrying her body upstairs into the main bedroom 

[sami]

anyone with common sense can see that neville n june would not have left a loaded rifle and bullets just laying there.june standing there talking to her sister and not moving the bullets.or neville coming in after harvesting and not moving the rifle.impossible

[Adam]

Adam. Anyone with a shade of sense can see why the idea is ridiculous. As its goes Its strikingly similar to Mike's theory of Police shooting Sheila in the kitchen then carrying her body upstairs into the main bedroom 

You are the one closely associated with Mike's and Lookout's theories as you beleive Bamber is innocent. Or rather in you're case 'may not be guilty', despite you're 'forensic evidence breakthrough' apparently being a game changer.

How do you think Bamber got Sheila into the main bedroom ?

There is no reason why she would wake. Thread created. The twins didn't.

If she did wake she would have gone to and stayed with the twins.

If she did wake and walk into the main bedroom, she would have  June's blood all over her hands and feet.

If Bamber walked her in at gunpoint to the main bedroom, she would have June's blood all over her feet. And as Sami and lots of other posters said, she would have also resisted.

I would have no trouble carrying somone of Sheila's size who is asleep, a few feet. Even if she started waking there is no way she would have realised what was going on until it was much too late. People can take minutes to wake up from sleeping.  You are obviously physically smaller than me or Bamber and  believe it would be difficult.

[maggie]

You are the one closely associated with Mike's and Lookout's theories as you beleive Bamber is innocent. Or rather in you're case 'may not be guilty', despite you're 'forensic evidence breakthrough' apparently being a game changer.

How do you think Bamber got Sheila into the main bedroom ?

There is no reason why she would wake. Thread created. The twins didn't.

If she did wake she would have gone to and stayed with the twins.

If she did wake and walk into the main bedroom, she would have  June's blood all over her hands and feet.

If Bamber walked her in at gunpoint to the main bedroom, she would have June's blood all over her feet. And as Sami and lots of other posters said, she would have also resisted.

I would have no trouble carrying somone of Sheila's size who is asleep, a few feet. Even if she started waking there is no way she would have realised what was going on until it was much too late. People can take minutes to wake up from sleeping.  You are obviously physically smaller than me or Bamber and  believe it would be difficult.

Adam, we have had this argument many times and I still say you are wrong. It would have been impossible for JB to carry Sheila without waking her, as a mother she would be programmed to be awake instantly if disturbed.  While she was very light she was only 4" shorter than JB which would have made it quite a struggle for him to lift her, she would certainly have woken as we know she wasn't drugged.
There is a possibility she may have slept in the main bedroom that night to be within earshot of her boys in the next room, with Nevil sleeping in her room. That would account for her being found on the floor at that side of the bed, maybe also for the teddy in the bed, plus Nevil's blood outside her bedroom.
Of course you choose to ignore or mock such suggestions because they don't support your particular theories, however that doesn't mean the above is not a possibility.

[Jane]

Adam, we have had this argument many times and I still say you are wrong. It would have been impossible for JB to carry Sheila without waking her, as a mother she would be programmed to be awake instantly if disturbed.  While she was very light she was only 4" shorter than JB which would have made it quite a struggle for him to lift her, she would certainly have woken as we know she wasn't drugged.
There is a possibility she may have slept in the main bedroom that night to be within earshot of her boys in the next room, with Nevil sleeping in her room. That would account for her being found on the floor at that side of the bed, maybe also for the teddy in the bed, plus Nevil's blood outside her bedroom.
Of course you choose to ignore or mock such suggestions because they don't support your particular theories, however that doesn't mean the above is not a possibility.

Maggie, Adam's theories only work if all the actors in his scenario work to his prescribed order. He leaves them no room to even take a breath other than where he's allowed for it in his script. Having said that, I've worked for enough control freak producers to know that it's possible for that MO to work. IF it worked exactly as Adam insists, he MAY have himself a production, but as we'll never know for sure, I guess the only one with any certainty is Adam.

[Adam]

Adam, we have had this argument many times and I still say you are wrong. It would have been impossible for JB to carry Sheila without waking her, as a mother she would be programmed to be awake instantly if disturbed.  While she was very light she was only 4" shorter than JB which would have made it quite a struggle for him to lift her, she would certainly have woken as we know she wasn't drugged.
There is a possibility she may have slept in the main bedroom that night to be within earshot of her boys in the next room, with Nevil sleeping in her room. That would account for her being found on the floor at that side of the bed, maybe also for the teddy in the bed, plus Nevil's blood outside her bedroom.
Of course you choose to ignore or mock such suggestions because they don't support your particular theories, however that doesn't mean the above is not a possibility.

Light sleeper or not, it would take several minutes for her to wake up and realise her brother was planning to shoot her.

Neville was shot 4 times in the main bedroom. June 7 times. Which suggests they were both in there, as per usual.

If Sheila wanted to be near her sons, she could have slept in the same room. It's very doubtful she was bothered. After 6 years, she would be used to sleeping in separate rooms. And so would the twins.

Neville's blood outside Sheila's bedroom. I thought all the carpets were destroyed. Have you got a source ? Although this would be possible if Neville passed it while running away from Bamber to get downstairs 

[Jane]

Light sleeper or not, it would take several minutes for her to wake up and realise her brother was planning to shoot her.

Neville was shot 4 times in the main bedroom. June 7 times. Which suggests they were both in there, as per usual.

If Sheila wanted to be near her sons, she could have slept in the same room. It's very doubtful she was bothered. After 6 years, she would be used to sleeping in separate rooms. And so would the twins.

Neville's blood outside Sheila's bedroom. I thought all the carpets were destroyed. Have you got a source ? Although this would be possible if Neville passed it while running away from Bamber to get downstairs

That -your belief that Sheila would have taken several minutes "to wake up and realise her brother was planning to shoot her"- has to be one of THE most sweeping statements you've ever made. How can you possibly be certain? IF he'd already shot her once and assumed she was dead, she wouldn't have been likely to have been aware of anything. If she'd been lifted from sleep, she'd very likely have been disturbed by hands being shoved under her body to lift her. At no point do I think it would have occurred to her that she was going to be killed.

[David1819]

Its not possible to shoot someone in the neck, cover their wound with hanky and carry them around with out leaving a bloody mess.

For Adams theory to be possible, Jeremy would need someone else with him on standby ready to instantly press the hankercheif against her neck the split second the bullet hits.

[Adam]

That -your belief that Sheila would have taken several minutes "to wake up and realise her brother was planning to shoot her"- has to be one of THE most sweeping statements you've ever made. How can you possibly be certain? IF he'd already shot her once and assumed she was dead, she wouldn't have been likely to have been aware of anything. If she'd been lifted from sleep, she'd very likely have been disturbed by hands being shoved under her body to lift her. At no point do I think it would have occurred to her that she was going to be killed.

If he had shot her once he would assume she was dead.

Of if she was asleep and not shot prior to entering the main bedroom, she would have taken more than a few seconds to realise Bamber was carrying her to her death.

How do you believe Bamber got Sheila into the main bedroom ?