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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #135 on: July 18, 2016, 06:44:PM »
No. It can only be proven that such event never happened, via to the blood stain evidence

Adam tried to counter my arguments by saying Jeremy could have used a handkerchief to plug Sheila's neck wound and then carry her to the main bedroom. Then you start to realise that Adam is just a windup

There is a thread on this. Keep up.

Blood from a shot in the neck would leak slowly. So no reason why  there would be any blood splatter.
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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #136 on: July 18, 2016, 06:45:PM »
David found a make believe 'forensic evidence breakthrough' from his bedroom. But his dad liked it.

He then went sniffing around old codger Andrew Hunter and then secretly NGB to give it some minor gravitas.

But to make sure he didn't spoil things he said he couldn't disclose what it was. As 'it would give the crown more time to prepare'.

David is a total wind up. I rest my case.

there isnt any need for that Adam, if David thinks what hes found may help  who are you to knock that. Youre just miffed cos he wont tell you what it is.

i rather enjoy the intrigue

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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #137 on: July 18, 2016, 06:46:PM »
Reasobs why Sheila may have been shot in bed:

Everyone else was shot in bed. Except Neville who moved seconds before it was his turn.

Everyone else was shot while they slept. Except Neville who woke seconds before it was his turn.

Sheila would not wake until it was her turn. Thread created yesterday.

A bed shot would certainly immobilise Sheila.

A bed shot would mean Bamber would not have to wake and attempt to persuade, force or coerce Sheila to move.

Bamber would not want to risk Sheila seeing June or the twins.

Bamber resented Sheila's financial support, but had a better relationship with her than Neville and June. He would not want her to wake and suffer more than she needed to prior to death.

A bed shot means Sheila would put no resistance which she may do if woken.

Bamber's aim was to kill Sheila with one shot. This is easier if she is not moving.

A contact head shot while Sheila slept would result in any blood splatter going into the silencer.

There would be a minimal blood leakage as it was a low powered rifle. Nothing would drip onto the bed sheets straight away.

Carrying Sheila the way a groom carries his bride, would not change the direction of any blood flow.

Bamber was strong enough to carry a dead Sheila a few feet.

Shooting Sheila while she slept means he could aim the rifle where he wanted to.

If worried about blood flow onto the sheets, he could put a temporary plaster over the wound.

Bamber's aim was to kill everyone as quickly as possible and then stage the scene. This included killing Neville in bed and then moving him. Taking the bedroom phone off the hook. There is no reason why he wouldn't kill Sheila in bed and then stage the scene.

None of June's blood was on Sheila's hands or feet, so Bamber didn't lead her to his chosen position.

It is doubtful he shot Sheila before the twins, but if he did, he would not want to risk Sheila making a noise after waking her, and the twins waking. Shooting Sheila in bed ensures this happens.

Bamber believed he only needed to fire one bullet into Sheila while she slept. The second bullet was fired in the main bedroom after he realised Sheila was still alive.

Bamber entered WHF totally hyped up. His aim was negate everyone straight away while they slept. Then move Neville a Sheila away from their beds and take the bedroom phone off the hook. He would not be calm enough to attempt to persuade Sheila to get out of bed and walk to his chosen position.

Sheila was shot after Neville and June, and almost certainly after the twins. Bamber had the time to move Sheila directly after shooting her in bed. There was no one to stop him doing this. An instant removal  from her bed will mean no blood on the bed sheets.

Bamber could put a tissue of cloth underneath where he was going to shoot Sheila. Any drops of blood would land on this, rather than the bed clothes.

Bamber's first shot did not kill her. However it was an accurrate first shot which did a lot of damage. Suggesting he had time to take aim.
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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #139 on: July 18, 2016, 06:50:PM »
David found a make believe 'forensic evidence breakthrough' from his bedroom. But his dad liked it.

He then went sniffing around old codger Andrew Hunter and then secretly NGB to give it some minor gravitas.

But to make sure he didn't spoil things he said he couldn't disclose what it was. As 'it would give the crown more time to prepare'.

David is a total wind up. I rest my case.

Adam. You have seen JBs letter to myself (on your request) and you have seen NGBs post on the matter. If that is not enough to authenticate my claim then there is not much else I can do.  :-\

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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #140 on: July 18, 2016, 06:51:PM »
there isnt any need for that Adam, if David thinks what hes found may help  who are you to knock that. Youre just miffed cos he wont tell you what it is.

i rather enjoy the intrigue

Hi notsure
I cannot imagine what Adam hopes to achieve with this rather childish sarcastic attitude he has he really shows himself in a very bad light.  I am like you rather enjoy the intrigue,

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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2016, 06:53:PM »
Adam. You have seen JBs letter to myself (on your request) and you have seen NGBs post on the matter. If that is not enough to authenticate my claim then there is not much else I can do.  :-\

David
ignore him he is not worth the effort of replying to him think he may have a jealous streak.

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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2016, 06:56:PM »
Reasobs why Sheila may have been shot in bed:

Everyone else was shot in bed. Except Neville who moved seconds before it was his turn.

Everyone else was shot while they slept. Except Neville who woke seconds before it was his turn.

Sheila would not wake until it was her turn. Thread created yesterday.

A bed shot would certainly immobilise Sheila.

A bed shot would mean Bamber would not have to wake and attempt to persuade, force or coerce Sheila to move.

Bamber would not want to risk Sheila seeing June or the twins.

Bamber resented Sheila's financial support, but had a better relationship with her than Neville and June. He would not want her to wake and suffer more than she needed to prior to death.

A bed shot means Sheila would put no resistance which she may do if woken.

Bamber's aim was to kill Sheila with one shot. This is easier if she is not moving.

A contact head shot while Sheila slept would result in any blood splatter going into the silencer.

There would be a minimal blood leakage as it was a low powered rifle. Nothing would drip onto the bed sheets straight away.

Carrying Sheila the way a groom carries his bride, would not change the direction of any blood flow.

Bamber was strong enough to carry a dead Sheila a few feet.

Shooting Sheila while she slept means he could aim the rifle where he wanted to.

If worried about blood flow onto the sheets, he could put a temporary plaster over the wound.

Bamber's aim was to kill everyone as quickly as possible and then stage the scene. This included killing Neville in bed and then moving him. Taking the bedroom phone off the hook. There is no reason why he wouldn't kill Sheila in bed and then stage the scene.

None of June's blood was on Sheila's hands or feet, so Bamber didn't lead her to his chosen position.

It is doubtful he shot Sheila before the twins, but if he did, he would not want to risk Sheila making a noise after waking her, and the twins waking. Shooting Sheila in bed ensures this happens.

Bamber believed he only needed to fire one bullet into Sheila while she slept. The second bullet was fired in the main bedroom after he realised Sheila was still alive.

Bamber entered WHF totally hyped up. His aim was negate everyone straight away while they slept. Then move Neville a Sheila away from their beds and take the bedroom phone off the hook. He would not be calm enough to attempt to persuade Sheila to get out of bed and walk to his chosen position.

Sheila was shot after Neville and June, and almost certainly after the twins. Bamber had the time to move Sheila directly after shooting her in bed. There was no one to stop him doing this. An instant removal  from her bed will mean no blood on the bed sheets.

Bamber could put a tissue of cloth underneath where he was going to shoot Sheila. Any drops of blood would land on this, rather than the bed clothes.

Bamber's first shot did not kill her. However it was an accurrate first shot which did a lot of damage. Suggesting he had time to take aim.


Please explain why, if blood leaked onto the pillow from June's wounds, why it shouldn't have from Sheila's. I somehow don't see Jeremy doing any sort of graph on blood loss prior to the massacre.

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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2016, 06:58:PM »

Please explain why, if blood leaked onto the pillow from June's wounds, why it shouldn't have from Sheila's. I somehow don't see Jeremy doing any sort of graph on blood loss prior to the massacre.

June was in bed longer. And was shot more times.

Bamber was not trying to prevent blood going onto the bed with June.  And shot her randomly.
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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #144 on: July 18, 2016, 07:01:PM »
Adam. You have seen JBs letter to myself (on your request) and you have seen NGBs post on the matter. If that is not enough to authenticate my claim then there is not much else I can do.  :-\

Oh sorry, Bamber and a Bamber supporter said 'well done David'.  One even said the diagram was pretty.
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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #145 on: July 18, 2016, 07:05:PM »
This was first suggested by a former poster on Red. I agreed it was possible.

Sheila certainly didn't walk in the main bedroom. There was no blood on her feet or hands. What did she do, fly ?
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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #146 on: July 18, 2016, 07:07:PM »
June was in bed longer. And was shot more times.


You can't possibly know that, Adam. Besides which, a wound is a wound and wounds bleed, irrelevant of how many. One is sufficient.

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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #147 on: July 18, 2016, 07:10:PM »

You can't possibly know that, Adam. Besides which, a wound is a wound and wounds bleed, irrelevant of how many. One is sufficient.

If Bamber did plan to shoot Sheila while she slept, he would shoot her once. And then instantly lift her.

June was shot 5/6 times randomly in Bamber's opening salvo and then left to die in bed.
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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #148 on: July 18, 2016, 07:17:PM »
If Bamber did plan to shoot Sheila while she slept, he would shoot her once. And then instantly lift her.

June was shot 5/6 times randomly in Bamber's opening salvo and then left to die in bed.

Given that he wanted it to appear that she'd committed suicide after killing the others, she'd have been unlikely to have done it in her own bed. I suspect her first choice would have been to be with her boys but as this seems to have been about immediate family, Jeremy wouldn't have understood the mother/child bond. I think his consideration was more about the antipathy between Sheila and June.

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Re: Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.
« Reply #149 on: July 18, 2016, 07:20:PM »
if after shooting her in bed he immediatly placed a cloth or rag on the wound than lifted her and placed her in the main bedroom.would there be a blood trail.i doubt it very much.its not IMPOSSIBLE