Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[buddy]

He didn't have a flippin key. Ann did. Keep up.

[Adam]

He didn't have a flippin key. Ann did. Keep up.

Why didn't he ask for a key ? It was his property and he worked there. Or was supposed to.

Or AE or BW could have let him in.

Telephones did exsist in 1985. There was no hurry for Bamber. He had all the time in the world.

[Adam]

It is much more likely that Bamber used the hack saw on the bathroom window, prior to the massacre night.

This was to ensure an easy and quiet entrance on the night.

The judge suggested such.

Bamber's story on this is once again incredibly weak.

[buddy]

Why didn't he ask for a key ? It was his property and he worked there. Or was supposed to.

Or AE or BW could have let him in.

Telephones did exsist in 1985. There was no hurry for Bamber. He had all the time in the world.

Well it is quite clear that he disliked the relatives, so asked them for nothing.

[Adam]

One thing everyone agrees on, is Bamber made the scratch marks on the bathroom window. With his hack saw.

Supporters will always say this was because a 24 year man apparently left his passport at mummies and daddies. Then apparently decided it would be easier to get a hack saw and climb through a window to get it. Rather than walk through a front door.

The prosecution have a very very strong counter argument. Which the judge asked the jury to consider.

[Caroline]

It was his passport Susan.

No, it was documents for the car, he intended to take the car abroad.

[sami]

There was no reason to look for scratch marks -or ANY other evidence- whilst they were convinced of Sheila's guilt. Presumably, once that was in doubt, their previous thinking had to be re-evaluated.

spot on jane.

[sami]

He didn't have a flippin key. Ann did. Keep up.

all he had to do was ask the house keeper who lived nearby.is there a police report saying he was watched by police entering whf by the window.i doubt it

[sami]

No, it was documents for the car, he intended to take the car abroad.

caroline did he get the papers once he got in.i mean were they found at goldhanger or whf

[Caroline]

caroline did he get the papers once he got in.i mean were they found at goldhanger or whf

I presume any documents he had were with him when he was arrested. I haven't heard any mention of finding the documents at WHF. To be honest, I'm not sure if he took the car with him or not. Personally, I think it was a ruse - he knew the police knew he could get into WHF via a window because they had questioned him about it. I think he went back there to try and show that yes, he could get in, but not that he could get out again - hence the note to BW asking her to secure the window.

[Adam]

all he had to do was ask the house keeper who lived nearby.is there a police report saying he was watched by police entering whf by the window.i doubt it

Mike says he was under surveillance because of possible opium growing.

I doubt he ever went back to WHF and got through the bathroom window after the massacre. It's just Bamber saying this because he had no choice.

The scratch marks would lead dirrectly to him if he denied all knowledge. So he might as well justify them.

[sami]

I presume any documents he had were with him when he was arrested. I haven't heard any mention of finding the documents at WHF. To be honest, I'm not sure if he took the car with him or not. Personally, I think it was a ruse - he knew the police knew he could get into WHF via a window because they had questioned him about it. I think he went back there to try and show that yes, he could get in, but not that he could get out again - hence the note to BW asking her to secure the window.

yes i totally agree.and well worked out caroline.one has to be cunning and think like jb would have.to catch him out

[sami]

Mike says he was under surveillance because of possible opium growing.

I doubt he ever went back to WHF and got through the bathroom window after the massacre. It's just Bamber saying this because he had no choice. The scratch marks would lead dirrectly to him.

correct.so if we cant prove he was being watched when he claimed to enter whf.

[guest154]

I presume any documents he had were with him when he was arrested. I haven't heard any mention of finding the documents at WHF. To be honest, I'm not sure if he took the car with him or not. Personally, I think it was a ruse - he knew the police knew he could get into WHF via a window because they had questioned him about it. I think he went back there to try and show that yes, he could get in, but not that he could get out again - hence the note to BW asking her to secure the window.

Agreed, all part of the act.

[sami]

Agreed, all part of the act.

yes mat. very cunning as caroline said it was to show police that he could get in but not secure the latch on the wayout