Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[Adam]

Was the prosecution correct to suggest that Bamber got into WHF through the bathroom window ?

Was the bathroom window on the ground floor ? Yes

Was there a way into WHF through a bathroom window ?  - Yes.

Could Bamber lock the bathroom window from inside after gaining entrance ? Yes.

Was Bamber aware of entry into WHF via the bathroom window ? - Yes.

Did Bamber tell the police of this entry option on the massacre night ?  - No.

Did Julie and the relatives tell the police of this method of entry option after the massacre ? - Yes.

Did Bamber admit under police questioning that he knew how to get into WHF through the bathroom window ? - Yes.

Was the bathroom window a long way from the adults inside WHF ? Yes.

Would getting in through the bathroom window have woken anyone up, sleeping upstairs ? - No.

Were there easier options of a covert and quiet entry on the massacre night. Such as other doors or windows ? No.

Would a hack saw used on the bathroom window prior to the massacre, have made it easier to gain access ? - Yes.

Would a hack saw used on the bathroom window prior to the massacre have made it easier to have gained access without making a noise ? - Yes.

Were there hack saw marks on the window ? - Yes.

Did Bamber say he made the hack saw marks on the window ? - Yes.

Could Bamber have gained access to WHF after the massacre by using keys to the front door or having someone let him in ? - Yes.

Has Bamber given a reason why he did not use the front door to gain access to his own property after the massacre ? - No.

Was anyone aware that Bamber had to go through the bathroom window after the massacre to get items ? - No.

Did the judge mention to the jury how easy Bamber said it was to get into WHF ? Yes.

Did the judge mention to the jury how Bamber said he had gained access through the bathroom window after the massacre, and suggest he could have on the massacre night ? - Yes.

Does Bamber apparently entering WHF through the bathroom window shortly after the massacre, highlight he knew how easy it was to do this, directly before the massacre ? Yes.


In conclusion I believe that the prosecution were correct to aledge Bamber got into WHF through the bathroom window on the massacre night.

[David1819]

Adam. You seem to be ignoring the fact that the marks on bathroom window used at trial, were the same marks Jeremy created when he entered the house several weeks AFTER the murders. There is no evidence of any marks prior to that date.

[Adam]

Adam. You seem to be ignoring the fact that the marks on bathroom window used at trial, were the same marks Jeremy created when he entered the house several weeks AFTER the murders. There is no evidence of any marks prior to that date.

Only Bamber is alledging this. He has to.

If he denied he made the bathroom window hack saw marks with his own hack saw, the prosecution will just suggest to the jury he was lying. And they would have a strong case.

No one else had any reason or opportunity to make these bathroom window marks with Bamber's own hack saw. So Bamber is better off saying it was him, after the massacre.

[Adam]

What was Bamber going back to WHF to get ?

He had not lived there for years and didn't even have a key, pre massacre. Would assume everything would be in his cottage. Once you leave home, you take everything.

Did anyone see him go through the bathroom window after the massacre ? Thought not.

[David1819]

What was Bamber going back to WHF to get ?

He had not lived there for years and didn't even have a key, pre massacre. Would assume everything would be in his cottage. Once you leave home, you take everything.

Did anyone see him go through the bathroom window after the massacre ? Thought not.

Were those scratch marks found AFTER Jeremy entered the farm several weeks after the massacre? YES

Did the police surveillance corroborate Jeremy's story of entering the farm on that day? YES

Were any scratch marks found on the window prior to Jeremy entering on that day? NO

Does this render the scratches on the bathroom window meaningless for the prosecution? YES

Is your forensic library still as empty as a hermits address book? YES 

[Jane]

Were those scratch marks found AFTER Jeremy entered the farm several weeks after the massacre? YES

Did the police surveillance corroborate Jeremy's story of entering the farm on that day? YES

Were any scratch marks found on the window prior to Jeremy entering on that day? NO

Does this render the scratches on the bathroom window meaningless for the prosecution? YES

Is your forensic library still as empty as a hermits address book? YES

There was no reason to look for scratch marks -or ANY other evidence- whilst they were convinced of Sheila's guilt. Presumably, once that was in doubt, their previous thinking had to be re-evaluated.

[susan]

What was Bamber going back to WHF to get ?

He had not lived there for years and didn't even have a key, pre massacre. Would assume everything would be in his cottage. Once you leave home, you take everything.

Did anyone see him go through the bathroom window after the massacre ? Thought not.

Adam
I seem to think it was a document to do with his car and it would have been kept in the office that would be quite normal especially as his Father owned the car or maybe it was his passport which was kept in the safe not quite sure.  Even when you have left home certain documents are kept in the office.

[buddy]

Adam
I seem to think it was a document to do with his car and it would have been kept in the office that would be quite normal especially as his Father owned the car or maybe it was his passport which was kept in the safe not quite sure.  Even when you have left home certain documents are kept in the office.

It was his passport Susan.

[buddy]

It was not the aga that was scratched it wads the aga surround.

[Adam]

It was his passport Susan.

Why would his passport be at WHF ? He had not lived there for years. A passport does not take up any space.

A would be jet setter like Bamber would have his passport with him.

[Adam]

Adam
I seem to think it was a document to do with his car and it would have been kept in the office that would be quite normal especially as his Father owned the car or maybe it was his passport which was kept in the safe not quite sure.  Even when you have left home certain documents are kept in the office.

Why would he need car documents if he was going abroad ?

[Adam]

Were those scratch marks found AFTER Jeremy entered the farm several weeks after the massacre? YES

Did the police surveillance corroborate Jeremy's story of entering the farm on that day? YES

Were any scratch marks found on the window prior to Jeremy entering on that day? NO

Does this render the scratches on the bathroom window meaningless for the prosecution? YES

Is your forensic library still as empty as a hermits address book? YES

The sratch marks and Bambers hack saw was found after the police started investigating him.  There was no plant. Bamber admitted it was his hack saw and he made the marks.

The prosecution and then the judge certainly did not consider the scratch marks meaningless.

[Adam]

Bamber would not have been under surveilence if he went to get his passport.

He went to Amsterdam directly after the massacre and was not a suspect.

Anyway, is there a source that Bamber was ever under surveilence and was being followed around the country and abroad ?

What was the point in doing this ?

[buddy]

Bamber would not have been under surveilence if he went to get his passport.

He went to Amsterdam directly after the massacre and was not a suspect.

Anyway, is there a source that Bamber was ever under surveilence and was being followed around the country and abroad. What was the point in doing this ?

You really show you know nothing, just a chancer. Study the flippin case.

[Adam]

You really show you know nothing, just a chancer. Study the flippin case.

What I have said is correct.

Bamber went to Amsterdam directly after the massacre.

His passport was apprently at WHF for a mysterious reason.

Rather than use the front door to get it, he amazingly used a hack saw to get in through the bathroom window. According to Bamber.

The mysterious survelience team will not see him do this,  as Taff didn't have Bamber as a suspect at this time. 

Try to say something constructive. After studying the case.