Bathroom window: Quick Q & A's and a conclusion.

[David1819]

He could easily have left the window open.

That would leave fingerprints.

Windows were examined for prints, None were reported

[Caroline]

That would leave fingerprints.

Windows were examined for prints, None were reported

Then that suggests they were wiped. Unusual not to find any prints but where does it state no prints were found? Also, that seems to be concerned specifically with the lounge window.

[Adam]

We have already been through this. JB entered the house on the 16th of September via the bathroom window using the hacksaw. Police carried out thorough investigations on all windows in early September when suspicion was mounting, they found no evidence of any forced entry on those windows. Thus Jeremy did not enter via the bathroom window on the night of the murders or anytime between June to September the 16th.

The theory of him proving he could enter via the bathroom window when he infact didn't enter that way at all does not make sense.

Bamber said he knew how to get in and out of WHF through several windows.

The evidence shows he did this in the night. Rather than stay the night at WHF as suggested yesterday.

I have mentioned before that he may have left the bathroom window slightly ajar when he went for supper. And hoped no one noticed over the next 4 hours. That would have assisted his entrance greatly.

Otherwise he had loosened the window sufficiently with the hack saw a few days earlier to ensure an efficient entrance.

[Adam]

That would leave fingerprints.

Windows were examined for prints, None were reported

Common sense for Bamber to wear gloves. They may have come off mid massacre, but not during his entrance.

[Adam]

She just receives five non fatal shots, none of them damaging vocal cords. She gets out of bed and walks or runs round the bed towards the door by Neville's side of the bed then turns round and walks or runs across the room back to the other door and collapses by the door. She then dies when the shooter has reloaded to put a further two bullets in her head.

It is not plausible that June would not make a significant amount of noise during the events on that night. She would be Either shouting for help, shouting for Neville, screaming from fear, screaming from pain or a combination of all.

Imagine yourself in Junes situation would you be silent? It would be extremely difficult even if you tried.

So are you saying Sheila woke mid massacre ? Why was there none of June's blood on her hands and feet ?

You are just being very optimistic again, believing a woman shot 5 or 6 times around the head and body would be screaming. She could probably barely breath and used all her energy moving a few feet before dying, perhaps dying before Bamber returned upstairs   

Anyway Sheila was in another room in a big house. Asleep with her door shut. And so were the twins. 

[lebaleb]

So are you saying Sheila woke mid massacre ? Why was there none of June's blood on her hands and feet ?

You are just being very optimistic again, believing a woman shot 5 or 6 times around the head and body would be screaming. She could probably barely breath and used all her energy moving a few feet before dying, perhaps dying before Bamber returned upstairs   

Anyway Sheila was in another room in a big house. Asleep with her door shut. And so were the twins.

Can you give me the source of that information, please.

[sami]

Common sense for Bamber to wear gloves. They may have come off mid massacre, but not during his entrance.

exactly.gloves must have been worn .cause jb knew if he got blood on his hands and touched something it would leave a print in blood,sealing his fate

[buddy]

exactly.gloves must have been worn .cause jb knew if he got blood on his hands and touched something it would leave a print in blood,sealing his fate

Sami, Adam said the gloves may have come off mid massacre yet no prints were found.
I can assure you that loading a magazine with `22 ammo would be extremely difficult wearing gloves.

[sami]

Sami, Adam said the gloves may have come off mid massacre yet no prints were found.
I can assure you that loading a magazine with `22 ammo would be extremely difficult wearing gloves.

no prints found where.are you saying none of jb's prints were in whf.no blooded prints linking jb were found i agree .as for the gloves i disagree if he wore thin leather gloves than nothing he did that morning would be difficult i dont believe the gloves came off mid massacre thats adams opinion

[Adam]

Can you give me the source of that information, please.

From the 2002 appeal - 'Sheila Caffell's body was by her parents bed'.


So Sheila was in the house when the police entered.

So obviously asleep in her own bed at around 2am, with her door shut, when Bamber entered WHF. Although some people believe she slept with June to be nearer the twins, who were....err in another room.

Where do you think Sheila was when Bamber opened fire ?

[buddy]

no prints found where.are you saying none of jb's prints were in whf.no blooded prints linking jb were found i agree .as for the gloves i disagree if he wore thin leather gloves than nothing he did that morning would be difficult i dont believe the gloves came off mid massacre thats adams opinion

Sorry I thought you were agreeing with the whole of Adams post.
There were no blooded prints found is what I meant. Of course jb's prints were in the house.
One thing I find strange is Jeremys prints were not on the rifle hence me being only 20% of innocence.
If the police had not been so stupid I may have been convinced.

[buddy]

From the 2002 appeal - 'Sheila Caffell's body was by her parents bed'.


So Sheila was in the house when the police entered.

So obviously asleep in her own bed at around 2am, with her door shut, when Bamber entered WHF. Although some people believe she slept with June to be nearer the twins, who were....err in another room.

Where do you think Sheila was when Bamber opened fire ?

I thought it was agreed the Sheila's bed had not been slept due to the clutter on it.

[Caroline]

Sorry I thought you were agreeing with the whole of Adams post.
There were no blooded prints found is what I meant. Of course jb's prints were in the house.
One thing I find strange is Jeremys prints were not on the rifle hence me being only 20% of innocence.
If the police had not been so stupid I may have been convinced.

One of Jeremy's prints was on the rifle. There was also one of Sheila's and other prints that couldn't be identified because they weren't clean prints.

[Adam]

Sorry I thought you were agreeing with the whole of Adams post.
There were no blooded prints found is what I meant. Of course jb's prints were in the house.
One thing I find strange is Jeremys prints were not on the rifle hence me being only 20% of innocence.
If the police had not been so stupid I may have been convinced.

Strange there were no fingerprints.

Bamber had used the rifle to hunt rabbits that night. Sheila had used the rifle to charge around barefoot in her nightie.

Maybe Crispy wiped the rifle with his paws.

[buddy]

Strange there were no fingerprints.

Bamber had used the rifle hunt rabbits. Sheila had used the rifle to charge around barefoot in her nightie.

Maybe Crispy wiped the rifle with his paws.
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I DID SAY STRANGE ADAM.