Balance of Probability

[sami]

no one can say for sure how the killer/s left the farm - or what transport they used ...

i think if there were two gunman then 1 left before Jeremy arrived with the Police ...

the second gunman waited behind to finish Jeremy off when he arrived ...

that is why he left the rifle by the window ...

that is the rifle WPC Jeaves saw ...

he intended to shoot Jeremy from that window as he approached the farm ...

an easy job for an expert marksman like Anthony ...

when Jeremy unexpectedly arrived with the Police the gunman moved the rifle from the window ...

it was this person that caused another Police officer to see "movement in another window" ...

it was this person that the Police saw leaving the area and later described to journalists as the "hunched up man" that they were by then desperate to trace ...

maybe this "hunched up man" was a tramp sleeping in the hedges - but he was more probably the gunman leaving the farm on foot ...

is there a statement from the officers that were with jb ,saying they saw a hunched man leaving whf,signed i might add

[sherlock]

is there a statement from the officers that were with jb ,saying they saw a hunched man leaving whf,signed i might add

The Police stated they had seen the hunched up man leaving the area at a major press conference in September 1986.

They also stated they were now desperate to trace this hunched up man ...

[lookout]

There is written information somewhere on the forum about the hunched up figure. It's in the form of a report which is written by an officer of EP,so it's there in writing.

[David1819]

How does she shoot herself at a 45 degree angle? Why would she choose to shoot herself at such and angle and wasn't it just lucky that there was one bullet left to finish the job? Coincidence? You don't believe in those!

How does she shoot herself in the neck? She holds the Barrel towards her neck and pulls the trigger.

Coincidence it is not. Having two bullets left in the magazine is not incriminating. Had one bullet have been in the chamber it would still have killed her. It just would have taken a while longer

[lookout]

Did we ever find out whose prints were on the cases,or is that a silly question ? Or the shape of the spent bullets in conjunction with the firing ? Another daft question.

[buddy]

How does she shoot herself in the neck? She holds the Barrel towards her neck and pulls the trigger.

Coincidence it is not. Having two bullets left in the magazine is not incriminating. Had one bullet have been in the chamber it would still have killed her. It just would have taken a while longer

The only way Shiela could have shot herself in the neck she would have had to be upright leaning over the rifle. The only way imo is some else fired the neck shot. It would not have been possible to hold the rifle at right angles and shoot herself.

[buddy]

You are right Caroline i do not believe in coincidences ...
They make me very suspicious - i prefer scenarios without them - much more likely ...

I think it probable there were 2 gunman ...
Anthony and Robert Boutflour perhaps ?
Unless Anthony was telling the truth about removing his rifle from the farm days before then there were 2
identical rifles and silencers at the farm ...
Anthony had checked both rifles were in working order days before at the farm - why ?

The coincidence of Sheila having 1 bullet left makes it more likely she did not commit the crime ...

I don't think Sheila shot herself - i think it is more likely she was forced to cooperate whilst the killer/s shot her ...

Would that not explain the 45 degree angle better ?

If they had a bullet or two or three left in the rifle they then went back to the kitchen to reload - they loaded the rifle so it had a full 10 bullets ...

They then shot the twins 10 times before leaving the empty rifle on Sheilas body ...

The second rifle (if there was 2 gunman) left the farm with one of the gunman ...

There was not two identical rifles. The bamber rifle was semi automatic, the Pargenter was a bolt action, I forget the the name but it was different from the Bamber rifle.

[buddy]

The silencers had different number of baffles.

[buddy]

I think I read that AP did not use hollow point ammo, and I have suggested before that not all bullets were fragmented.

[lookout]

She'd have shot herself laying down flat with the rifle to her neck as that way the bullet travelled where it did------upwards to the brain.

[buddy]

She'd have shot herself laying down flat with the rifle to her neck as that way the bullet travelled where it did------upwards to the brain.

I'm not talking about the brain shot Lookout. I am talking the neck shot.

[buddy]

Just remembered the AP rifle was a BRNO.

[Jane]

She'd have shot herself laying down flat with the rifle to her neck as that way the bullet travelled where it did------upwards to the brain.

She'd have been shooting blind plus having to push the trigger rather than pull it.

[sami]

How does she shoot herself in the neck? She holds the Barrel towards her neck and pulls the trigger.

Coincidence it is not. Having two bullets left in the magazine is not incriminating. Had one bullet have been in the chamber it would still have killed her. It just would have taken a while longer

impossible she could hold the rifle at a 45 degree and push the trigger,also why would she hold the rifle to the right,the rifle has weight its not a length of bamboo

[sami]

She'd have shot herself laying down flat with the rifle to her neck as that way the bullet travelled where it did------upwards to the brain.

then how did the blood run down the right of her nightie,if she was laying flat the blood would have flowed sideways down her neck not to the front of her nightie,she would also not have blood from the nose travelling to the eye if she were laying flat