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[Jane]

CAL couldn't very well ask the family,could she ? It's one person's word against the other and because I read between the lines I can understand that Jeremy told the truth,judging by the whole gamut which was " family life " at WHF ! No different to other lives,theirs wasn't unique at all.

I'm simply not convinced that any author, when presenting "facts", intends for their lines to be read between when they're perfectly capable of stating exactly what they want the reader to understand.

[lookout]

I'm simply not convinced that any author, when presenting "facts", intends for their lines to be read between when they're perfectly capable of stating exactly what they want the reader to understand.

Then what's the point in writing a book unless you've got the full facts of a TRUE crime ? Each author has turned their script around to their OWN way of thinking depending which author you TRUST. Why bother writing a book at all when these people claim that Jeremy is guilty,it doesn't make sense to me ?
The books are all biased towards guilt anyway,so that's what the reader s going to take as read,isn't it ?
Wouldn't you need such a thing as imagination when reading,in order to give opposing thoughts ? Or does EVERYONE believe what's in front of them ? It would seem so.
Yes,I give the odd quote,but it doesn't mean to say I believe it, I'm literally copying what's written. I don't need to !!

[sami]

Jeremy didn't " play anything up ". If you read Cal's book,it has connotations of him having been a " go-between " in the family,particularly when his mother repeated " why can't you be like Jeremy " as she'd referred to Sheila and her marriage to Colin,then the divorce not long after. The anger and guilt that Sheila was constantly made to feel knew no bounds,as even Jeremy felt the guilt by his mother repeating these comparisons.  This always drove Sheila mad with anger-----------as it naturally would when a parent always makes comparisons.

after what bw said about jb and lets face it she was around the family through working there.anyway jb would be the last person they would accept as a go between,was cal there when june said why cant you be like jeremy,cause if not than its just hearsay,why should cal be believed she wasnt there

[lookout]

after what bw said about jb and lets face it she was around the family through working there.anyway jb would be the last person they would accept as a go between,was cal there when june said why cant you be like jeremy,cause if not than its just hearsay,why should cal be believed she wasnt there

The whole case was built on hearsay. That's why we're on the forum.

[sami]

The whole case was built on hearsay. That's why we're on the forum.

i disagree lookout,the case is clear cut by studying the evidence that remains

[Caroline]

Same goes for the books which have been written,doesn't it ?

of course it doesn't! None of the authors have anything to gain by supporting guilt over innocence. CAL's book is very well referenced and everything she quotes can be checked out. I have no doubt Jeremy told her the quotes, but that doesn't mean they are true.

[sami]

of course it doesn't! None of the authors have anything to gain by supporting guilt over innocence. CAL's book is very well referenced and everything she quotes can be checked out. I have no doubt Jeremy told her the quotes, but that doesn't mean they are true.

jb is a master at manipluation

[sami]

The whole case was built on hearsay. That's why we're on the forum.

june telling her brother, jb was trying to get sheila to load bullets into the thingy,hearsay i know but what was it all about

[Caroline]

jb is a master at manipluation

But not everyone falls for it - she certainly didn't.

[lookout]

No,I don't see Jeremy as a manipulator at all. There are one or two here who try their best to be.

June was the manipulator.  I've known a lot of people like her who try and " mold " their siblings in the way that " they " want them to be both in work and relationships,as June didn't like either partners of her children for starters.   

[Caroline]

No,I don't see Jeremy as a manipulator at all. There are one or two here who try their best to be.

June was the manipulator.  I've known a lot of people like her who try and " mold " their siblings in the way that " they " want them to be both in work and relationships,as June didn't like either partners of her children for starters.   

In order to know people 'like her; you would have to know 'her' - we have only anecdotal info in respect to June. You may know people who support what you imagine June was like but as you didn't know June, you don't know anyone like her.

[lookout]

In order to know people 'like her; you would have to know 'her' - we have only anecdotal info in respect to June. You may know people who support what you imagine June was like but as you didn't know June, you don't know anyone like her.

Isn't knowing of people like her, a clue/insight into the type of person she was ? Doesn't anyone else get any idea at all ? You obviously didn't get out and about much then.
Of course,when the ONLY focus is on and about Jeremy,it isn't surprising that nobody else is mentioned 

[Jane]

Isn't knowing of people like her, a clue/insight into the type of person she was ? Doesn't anyone else get any idea at all ? You obviously didn't get out and about much then.
Of course,when the ONLY focus is on and about Jeremy,it isn't surprising that nobody else is mentioned 

Lookout, the person YOU insist she is -and you DIDN'T know her- is nothing like the person described by those who DID know her.

[Caroline]

Isn't knowing of people like her, a clue/insight into the type of person she was ? Doesn't anyone else get any idea at all ? You obviously didn't get out and about much then.
Of course,when the ONLY focus is on and about Jeremy,it isn't surprising that nobody else is mentioned 

I've travelled all over the world Lookout and mixed with all kinds of people from all various nationalities - so I 'got out' quite a lot and still do!  .

The focus is on Jeremy for obvious reasons even though you try to shift that focus wherever possible. 

[Caroline]

Lookout, the person YOU insist she is -and you DIDN'T know her- is nothing like the person described by those who DID know her.

True Jane, I have yet to hear anyone describe June as Annie Oakley