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[sami]

I think only Lookout thinks it's June's print Sami. I don't believe anyone had the need to pick up a bible - it was just a prop.

i agree caroline,its just a priemtive strike by me,if they can show its junes ,it means nothing

[buddy]

Anyway back to the thread. It could have been Ralphs teddy. A lot of fighter pilots had mascots, not the actual teddy at the scene but a substitute.

[sami]

Anyway back to the thread. It could have been Ralphs teddy. A lot of fighter pilots had mascots, not the actual teddy at the scene but a substitute.

thats who jb told a forum member it belonged to,nb

[lookout]

sorry lookout thats not what i asked you ,i said do you think she played a part in that mornings events.june was only covered with that amount of blood because of her wounds,theres no reason why sc should have the same amount of blood on her as june,i thought you were saying june picked up the bible after been shot because of her alleged blood print,and started antagonising sheila

My answer is in the post if you study it.
So far as I can gather there'd been a suggestion that night that the twins go to be fostered while Sheila convalesced at June's behest. June wasn't able to undertake any extra care because of her own fragile health,so I can imagine that the suggestions didn't go well with Sheila even though she'd been deemed incapable of looking after herself let alone two little boys.
Whatever went on during the time that JB had left,we don't know.
I've said this before that BOTH women had psychotic tendencies.

[lookout]

i agree caroline,its just a priemtive strike by me,if they can show its junes ,it means nothing

Only June would have read,or been reading that Bible because Sheila wasn't interested,she wasn't the religious one and the only reason that Sheila said that " she'd found God " was to try and appease June.

[Caroline]

Anyway back to the thread. It could have been Ralphs teddy. A lot of fighter pilots had mascots, not the actual teddy at the scene but a substitute.

Do you think a fighter pilot would choose a massive PINK bear as his mascot? Also, that bear isn't a traditional type, it looks as though it is from the 1970's (ish) - by which time Nevill's feet were well and truly on the ground.

[Caroline]

Only June would have read,or been reading that Bible because Sheila wasn't interested,she wasn't the religious one and the only reason that Sheila said that " she'd found God " was to try and appease June.

I agree that she wasn't religious, which is why I think it was staged.

[sami]

My answer is in the post if you study it.
So far as I can gather there'd been a suggestion that night that the twins go to be fostered while Sheila convalesced at June's behest. June wasn't able to undertake any extra care because of her own fragile health,so I can imagine that the suggestions didn't go well with Sheila even though she'd been deemed incapable of looking after herself let alone two little boys.
Whatever went on during the time that JB had left,we don't know.
I've said this before that BOTH women had psychotic tendencies.

sorry lookout we only have jb's word for that nights events,i will only believe it when it can be verified by another person that it took place,i will not take jb's word on it 

[Steve_uk]

My answer is in the post if you study it.
So far as I can gather there'd been a suggestion that night that the twins go to be fostered while Sheila convalesced at June's behest. June wasn't able to undertake any extra care because of her own fragile health,so I can imagine that the suggestions didn't go well with Sheila even though she'd been deemed incapable of looking after herself let alone two little boys.
Whatever went on during the time that JB had left,we don't know.
I've said this before that BOTH women had psychotic tendencies.

I can imagine a scenario whereby June suggests that the boys come to stay at White House Farm whilst Sheila convalesces at a home in Bournemouth. June would be able to see more of them and an ulterior motive would be to separate them from Colin, whom she believed to be a malign influence. Nevill may also have been watching developments those last few days and to his horror realizing that Sheila was incapable of any meaningful care of her children and the burden was falling on an already ailing June.

What I find hard to accept under these circumstances is Nevill and June becoming angry, confronting Sheila about the perceived neglect and this becoming the trigger for the tragedy. The telephone call from Pamela, which we are in a sense lucky to have, tends to confirm that there was no malice in June's intent as an exhausted Sheila ascended the stairs.

[Adam]

I can imagine a scenario whereby June suggests that the boys come to stay at White House Farm whilst Sheila convalesces at a home in Bournemouth. June would be able to see more of them and an ulterior motive would be to separate them from Colin, whom she believed to be a malign influence. Nevill may also have been watching developments those last few days and to his horror realizing that Sheila was incapable of any meaningful care of her children and the burden was falling on an already ailing June.

What I find hard to accept under these circumstances is Nevill and June becoming angry, confronting Sheila about the perceived neglect and this becoming the trigger for the tragedy. The telephone call from Pamela, which we are in a sense lucky to have, tends to confirm that there was no malice in June's intent as an exhausted Sheila ascended the stairs.

I was wondering when Bournemouth would come into it.

[David1819]

I agree that she wasn't religious, which is why I think it was staged.

Dr Fergusons statements suggest otherwise.

Then you have the fact she had delusions all of a religious theme. Believing herself to be The Virgin Mary and Joan of Arc. Those are two significant people of the Christian Faith.   

[Jane]

Dr Fergusons statements suggest otherwise.

Then you have the fact she had delusions all of a religious theme. Believing herself to be The Virgin Mary and Joan of Arc. Those are two significant people of the Christian Faith.

This was written of her FIRST stay in St Andrews. Dr Ferguson would have known nothing of her life in London following her second visit because he never saw her again. I have no recall of him saying those things of her during her second stay.

[Steve_uk]

This was written of her FIRST stay in St Andrews. Dr Ferguson would have known nothing of her life in London following her second visit because he never saw her again. I have no recall of him saying those things of her during her second stay.

That's right Jane, and she must have evinced sufficient a sensitivity to not want the stay in hospital to get around, hence the plea to cousin Ann in her letter to keep it quiet.

[David1819]

This was written of her FIRST stay in St Andrews. Dr Ferguson would have known nothing of her life in London following her second visit because he never saw her again. I have no recall of him saying those things of her during her second stay.

Sheila’s doctor, Hugh Ferguson from St Andrew’s Hospital, Northampton, told the court that Sheila had “bizarre delusions about possession by the devil.” She had told him she hated her mother and, in the past, she had seen herself as both Joan of Arc and the Virgin Mary. Sheila had been discharged as recently as March 29, 1985 (four months before the murders), and Dr Ferguson wrote he “was not happy about her leaving so soon.”

http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber/

[Steve_uk]

Sheila’s doctor, Hugh Ferguson from St Andrew’s Hospital, Northampton, told the court that Sheila had “bizarre delusions about possession by the devil.” She had told him she hated her mother and, in the past, she had seen herself as both Joan of Arc and the Virgin Mary. Sheila had been discharged as recently as March 29, 1985 (four months before the murders), and Dr Ferguson wrote he “was not happy about her leaving so soon.”

http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber/

No they never are, given the prodigious fees they charge.