teddybear

[lookout]

I have already said - keep up! I was talking about the bullet case, you won't talk about it because you don't have an answer 

NONE of us has an answer as to how the bullet case ended up where it did-----------but there IS a logical answer to how blood flowed upward.

[maggie]

Err, you don't know that and the blood on her face flowing UP suggests otherwise!! The bullet casing found under her body or just to the right of her could have gotten there if she had shot herself in that position.

I would guess she must have been moved when she was bleeding and her head had fallen back.  That's the only way the blood would have flowed that way imo.  Anyway, I have always believed she was moved, either after the first shot and before the second shot or possibly later. 

[sami]

She'd have been lying flat with her head slightly crooked against the bedside cabinet, until it flopped backwards as we see her lying in the pics.

i doubt if her head raised she could make the shot to the brain loookout.the angle is not right

[sami]

what do you think

[lookout]

Her neck was extended back to have aimed the shot from that position.Remember the bullet went upwards. So with her neck bent back,the blood would have run that way too.

[Jane]

It emerges as a result of the gases forming throughout the body. When gas formation occurs in the stomach and intestines, the abdomen can become tense and distended. Subsequently, the increase in abdominal pressure causes a purge of foul, blood-tinged fluid from the mouth, vagina and nose

I think you're missing the point here, David. This is less about the TYPE of emissions issued and more about how they would flow from a head in the downward position, however, I note with some interest that you clearly accept that Sheila had been dead for several hours as it would certainly take -AT LEAST- that long for the abdomen to fill with gasses resulting in "a purge of foul, blood tinged fluid" from various orifices.

[maggie]

I think you're missing the point here, David. This is less about the TYPE of emissions issued and more about how they would flow from a head in the downward position, however, I note with some interest that you clearly accept that Sheila had been dead for several hours as it would certainly take -AT LEAST- that long for the abdomen to fill with gasses resulting in "a purge of foul, blood tinged fluid" from various orifices.

There didn't appear to be much external blood loss from the actual wound which looks more like a trickle, the wound does seem to have bled internally and spilled out when her head was tilted back. .   

[David1819]

This STILL doesn't explain how blood or purge or whatever you want to call it leaked from her nose and mouth and flowed UP her face!

Its not difficult to work out. She is laying on her back face up. This makes the nostrils higher from the ground than her eye sockets and frontal cheeks. Once blood is forced out the nose then Gravity will have the blood flow downward towards her eyes. The blood is not flowing up at all it would only be flowing up if it went from her nose to her eye while she was sitting up. and that would be rather bizarre

[maggie]

Its not difficult to work out. She is laying on her back face up. This makes the nostrils higher from the ground than her eye sockets and frontal cheeks. Once blood is forced out the nose then Gravity will have the blood flow downward towards her eyes. The blood is not flowing up at all it would only be flowing up if it went from her nose to her eye while she was sitting up. and that would be rather bizarre

Well yes.  The blood will flow from the highest point to the lowest point so if she was lying prone on her back with her head flat to the floor,, blood from her nose would have found it's own level no doubt about that. 

[Caroline]

NONE of us has an answer as to how the bullet case ended up where it did-----------but there IS a logical answer to how blood flowed upward.

And yet you can't think of one 

[Caroline]

I would guess she must have been moved when she was bleeding and her head had fallen back.  That's the only way the blood would have flowed that way imo.  Anyway, I have always believed she was moved, either after the first shot and before the second shot or possibly later.

I agree, I think she was moved between shots - Jeremy may have thought she was dead after the first shot but when he moved her, he realised she wasn't

[Caroline]

Its not difficult to work out. She is laying on her back face up. This makes the nostrils higher from the ground than her eye sockets and frontal cheeks. Once blood is forced out the nose then Gravity will have the blood flow downward towards her eyes. The blood is not flowing up at all it would only be flowing up if it went from her nose to her eye while she was sitting up. and that would be rather bizarre

It has also flowed UP from her mouth. Even on your example picture, the blood from the persons mouth has not flowed upwards.

[maggie]

It has also flowed UP from her mouth. Even on your example picture, the blood from the persons mouth has not flowed upwards.

That is true, for the blood to flow up from her mouth, Sheila's head would have had to have fallen right back imo.

[lookout]

And yet you can't think of one 

I'd already posted my reason,but----------if you wish to remain pedantic then be my guest.

[David1819]

It has also flowed UP from her mouth. Even on your example picture, the blood from the persons mouth has not flowed upwards.

There is a small stream from that photo. The fluid is being forced out the mouth and nose by abdominal pressure from changes in the body