The forensic evidence shows 100% the silencer was used. But not by Sheila.

[Adam]

The forensic evidence shows 100% that the silencer was on the rifle during the massacre -

Aga paint.

Human blood. Almost certainly Sheila's.

No back splatter on the rifle end. Although there were several contact shots.


While there are a lot of reasons why Bamber would use a silencer. There are a lot of reasons why the opposite is true for Sheila.

Reasons why Sheila would not use the silencer:

Bamber said he left the rifle without the silencer on.

The available rifle was fully loaded and ready for a spontaneous shooting. It did not have a silencer attached.

Sheila may not know how to put the silencer on.

Sheila may not know how to take the silencer off.

Sheila would not want to put the silencer on. It was not a silent execution attempt and Neville was awake.

Sheila would not have time to put the silencer on. Neville was awake.

Sheila would not have put the silencer back into a box and then into a cupboard.

Sheila could not shoot herself with the silencer on.

If the silencer was on the rifle, Sheila would have left it on to burn Neville's back.

If the silencer was on, Sheila would have taken it off and left it next to her prior to shooting herself.

If Sheila could not take the silencer off, she would have used another rifle to kill herself. Or stayed alive.

Sheila would not have time to take the silencer off and put it away. Together with everything else she was supposed to have done between Neville's call and the police arriving.

[John]

Good points Adam.  Anyone who believes Sheila could have done it are in total denial because the evidence speaks for itself. Unfortunately for Jeremy Bamber however he spun the 'Sheila dun it' story to such an extent that it had to be him or her.  Silly boy...shot himself in the foot big time! 

[Adam]

Good points Adam.  Anyone who believes Sheila could have done it are in total denial because the evidence speaks for itself. Unfortunately for Jeremy Bamber however he spun the 'Sheila dun it' story to such an extent that it had to be him or her.  Silly boy...shot himself in the foot big time! 

Thanks.

I can't see any situation where Sheila would put the silencer on. It was in the gun cupboard and she was in a rage. Neville was with her and there is no proof she knew how to do it.

If in the beginning she was the only one awake and wanted to commit a silent execution, she could have put the silencer on. Then shot June and Neville in the main bedroom, which is where they were shot. But then Neville wouldn't have been able to phone Bamber.

[lebaleb]

Sheila could have used the rifle without silencer then attached it to shoot the children fearing they would wake. Later removing it to facilitate her suicide. How difficult could attaching a silencer be? You just screw it on and off.
When she attached the silencer Neville was already incapacitated or dead.
You can't draw assumptions from Sheila's actions whilst she was psychotic. She may have had, in her mind, perfectly rational reasons for returning the silencer to the gun cupboard. That is one of the definitions of delusion, i.e. Actions that seem logical to her are irrational to a normal person.
Sheila may have had hours to commit the murders if the rifle shots could be heard over the dogs and vehicles arriving and departing, from the end of the driveway.

[Adam]

Sheila could have used the rifle without silencer then attached it to shoot the children fearing they would wake. Later removing it to facilitate her suicide. How difficult could attaching a silencer be? You just screw it on and off.
When she attached the silencer Neville was already incapacitated or dead.
You can't draw assumptions from Sheila's actions whilst she was psychotic. She may have had, in her mind, perfectly rational reasons for returning the silencer to the gun cupboard. That is one of the definitions of delusion, i.e. Actions that seem logical to her are irrational to a normal person.
Sheila may have had hours to commit the murders if the rifle shots could be heard over the dogs and vehicles arriving and departing, from the end of the driveway.

That's it. After going so crazy that Neville had to ring Bamber, but amazingly not waking anyone else inside WHF, Sheila then shoots/beats and kills Neville and June.

The twins had still not woken but Sheila then decides to put the silencer on so the twins don't wake as they are shot. I don't think there is much chance of the twins waking after they get shot in the head.

How did the aga paint and Sheila's/Neville's/June's blood get into the silencer if it wasn't used during these sections of the massacre ?

[sami]

Good points Adam.  Anyone who believes Sheila could have done it are in total denial because the evidence speaks for itself. Unfortunately for Jeremy Bamber however he spun the 'Sheila dun it' story to such an extent that it had to be him or her.  Silly boy...shot himself in the foot big time! 

its what you get john,when one tries to be too clever.you can see why he spun that tale about the call'because he had to be there with police .not only to lead them down the garden path but also to show it couldnt have been me i was outside with police .also pretending seeing movement upstairs, to further reinforce it

[lebaleb]

Nobody knows who was asleep/awake. the twins may have woken up but went back to sleep when things quietened down.
Sheila had to be as quiet as possible while shooting the first twin to prevent the other from waking.
The silencer was attached when Sheila was bludgeoning Neville's, possibly already dead body, in the kitchen. She may have imagined his voice taunting her.
As for the blood:
a, It was a mixture of June and Nevilles blood [maybe some of the twins blood too].
b, Sheila abused herself with the silencer.
c, The 'blob of jam' blood of AE's testimony fell or was placed inside.
d, Sheila managed to shoot herself with the silencer on, possibly in or near the gun cupboard, and the bleeding wasn't initially so bad, enabling her to put the silencer away and walk upstairs. Venezis states the blood flow could be halted with the fingers held to the wound.

[sami]

Nobody knows who was asleep/awake. the twins may have woken up but went back to sleep when things quietened down.
Sheila had to be as quiet as possible while shooting the first twin to prevent the other from waking.
The silencer was attached when Sheila was bludgeoning Neville's, possibly already dead body, in the kitchen. She may have imagined his voice taunting her.
As for the blood:
a, It was a mixture of June and Nevilles blood [maybe some of the twins blood too].
b, Sheila abused herself with the silencer.
c, The 'blob of jam' blood of AE's testimony fell or was placed inside.
d, Sheila managed to shoot herself with the silencer on, possibly in or near the gun cupboard, and the bleeding wasn't initially so bad, enabling her to put the silencer away and walk upstairs. Venezis states the blood flow could be halted with the fingers held to the wound.

the twins are children .and posed no threat whatso ever to sheila wether awake or asleep.thats assuming sc did it .which is impossible .they would hardly be able to overpower their mother or load a shotgun and shoot her

[sami]

Nobody knows who was asleep/awake. the twins may have woken up but went back to sleep when things quietened down.
Sheila had to be as quiet as possible while shooting the first twin to prevent the other from waking.
The silencer was attached when Sheila was bludgeoning Neville's, possibly already dead body, in the kitchen. She may have imagined his voice taunting her.
As for the blood:
a, It was a mixture of June and Nevilles blood [maybe some of the twins blood too].
b, Sheila abused herself with the silencer.
c, The 'blob of jam' blood of AE's testimony fell or was placed inside.
d, Sheila managed to shoot herself with the silencer on, possibly in or near the gun cupboard, and the bleeding wasn't initially so bad, enabling her to put the silencer away and walk upstairs. Venezis states the blood flow could be halted with the fingers held to the wound.

.D. impossible sheila could shoot herself downstairs and  walked back to the bedroom .because not a trace of blood down the front of her nightie.its all on the right hand side of her nightie.there is also no blood trail from guncupboad

[lookout]

Sheila could have used the rifle without silencer then attached it to shoot the children fearing they would wake. Later removing it to facilitate her suicide. How difficult could attaching a silencer be? You just screw it on and off.
When she attached the silencer Neville was already incapacitated or dead.
You can't draw assumptions from Sheila's actions whilst she was psychotic. She may have had, in her mind, perfectly rational reasons for returning the silencer to the gun cupboard. That is one of the definitions of delusion, i.e. Actions that seem logical to her are irrational to a normal person.
Sheila may have had hours to commit the murders if the rifle shots could be heard over the dogs and vehicles arriving and departing, from the end of the driveway.

I agree with that lebaleb,especially about her unscrewing the silencer and putting it back ( with her bloodied hands ) because many of us when we've been thinking of other things have momentarily have put items in places and not realised at first,but with those whose minds are not in normal mode,will do things without thinking.
We've learned that JB had left the rifle minus silencer and sights and as you say,Sheila in her anxious and psychotic mind would have made an attempt at fitting the silencer thinking it would make a difference with the sound.
I've already posted about the silencer having been cross-threaded because of her inability to co-ordinate the right positioning and this skewed silencer on the end of the rifle would have done damage to surrounding areas ( the Aga ) because of her lack of judgement on its extra length which would have proved cumbersome.
There is no doubt in my mind that she'd displayed that of a frenzied and sick person who at the same time had shown the strength of an ox. 

[sami]

I agree with that lebaleb,especially about her unscrewing the silencer and putting it back ( with her bloodied hands ) because many of us when we've been thinking of other things have momentarily have put items in places and not realised at first,but with those whose minds are not in normal mode,will do things without thinking.
We've learned that JB had left the rifle minus silencer and sights and as you say,Sheila in her anxious and psychotic mind would have made an attempt at fitting the silencer thinking it would make a difference with the sound.
I've already posted about the silencer having been cross-threaded because of her inability to co-ordinate the right positioning and this skewed silencer on the end of the rifle would have done damage to surrounding areas ( the Aga ) because of her lack of judgement on its extra length which would have proved cumbersome.
There is no doubt in my mind that she'd displayed that of a frenzied and sick person who at the same time had shown the strength of an ox.

if she had put it away with her blooded hands ,would there not be blood on the outside of it

[Adam]

It's good that supporters are saying the silencer was used in the massacre. There is a mountain of evidence showing that is was. The fabrication accusation is preposturous.

I shouldn't be surprised supporters are now saying Sheila used it. Putting it on after Neville and June had been killed. So not to wake the soon to be dead twins. Although now it's being said they did wake and then went back to bed.

[sami]

It's good that supporters are saying the silencer was used in the massacre. There is a mountain of evidence showing that is was. The fabrication accusation is preposturous.

I shouldn't be surprised supporters are now saying Sheila used it. Putting it on after Neville and June had been killed. So not to wake the soon to be dead twins. Although now it's being said they did wake and then went back to bed.

its hard to believe adam, they ignore the evidence when it suits them

[lookout]

what have i ignored that doesnt suit me

Lebaleb's post and mine, the reason for you coming out with that remark.

[sami]

Lebaleb's post and mine, the reason for you coming out with that remark.

because theres evidence to show what you two are agreeing on never happened