The paint in the silencer:

[Adam]

It is universally agreed it was the Aga paint in tbe silencer. 

Apart from a kitchen fight, no one has ever given any other suggestions of how the aga paint would end up in the silencer.

There has never been a dispute about the random scratch marks being consistent with a big kitchen fight.   

It has shown to be impossible for the relatives to expertly put Sheila's blood into the silencer. It is also very hard or impossible that an individual can expertly put random scratch marks onto the Aga to replicate a possible fight ? 

The judge said the Aga paint in the silencer shows the silencer was on the rifle during the massacre. This was not disputed at trial.

The paint in the silencer showing it was on during the massacre, supports that Sheila would also be shot with the silencer attached. If she was murdered.

The scratch marks suggest that both Neville and his attacker were fighting over the rifle ? A partially injured Neville could easily gain control of the rifle over Sheila.

The scratch marks support the other kitchen forensic evidence and the judges statement that Neville put up a 'tremendous fight for life '. Sheila would not win this fight or come out unmarked.

The paint alone inside the silencer would support Bamber as the killer. He said he left the rifle without the silencer on. Sheila would not put the silencer on pre massacre as there was no need and no time.

The paint alone inside the silencer supports Bamber as the killer. Sheila would not take off the silencer and then put it neatly away.

The scratch marks highlight a kitchen fight. Rather than Neville slumping to the floor and letting himself get beaten.

The paint inside the silencer strongly supports the human blood inside being Sheila's. Who was murdered. One of her shots being a contact shot.

[Adam]

It's surprising how little the paint in the silencer is mentioned.

It is strong forensic evidence that the silencer was on the rifle during the kitchen fight. This means the massacre started upstairs with the silencer attached.

At the least Neville and June had been shot upstairs with the silencer attached, before the kitchen fight. However some people believe the twins were also shot before the kitchen fight.

After the kitchen fight, there was no point in taking the silencer off before returning upstairs and completing the massacre. There was also no time as Bamber wanted everyone dead before they woke up. So Sheila was shot with the silencer attached.

So the paint in the silencer strongly supports Sheila's blood being in the silencer from her contact shot.

Bamber took the silencer off at the end of the massacre. Either to burn Neville's back when returning downstairs, or because he realised Sheila could not shoot herself with it on. He put the silencer away for obvious reasons and probably didn't give it another thought.

[guest2181]

It's also strange that there were a number of items in front of the gun cupboard blocking it from being opened. Yet it was accessed by Jeremy the previous evening and he doesn't mention blocking it off.

[Adam]

The aga paint shows it was on the rifle during the kitchen fight. It was human blood in the silencer. Sheila received a contact shot. An expert at the trial said it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer.  I'm not sure how supporters can claim Bamber is innocent.

The relatives contaminating the silencer has been ruled out. Caroline has said Stan Jones fabricated the silencer evidence.

Mike has since said the police kept extra samples of Sheila's blood from the crime scene. Then used this to submit a second silencer to the lab team.

[Adam]

Mike saying a second silencer was submitted to the crime scene, supports the view that the silencer was used during the massacre.

There was no point in the police handing in a first silencer to the lab team, which the relatives gave them, if there was nothing on it.

If the results of the first silencer did not support the police, but the results were buried. This means the lab team are included in the frame.

[Adam]

Anyway. Assuming there was no second silencer or fabrication. Does everyone agree that the aga paint,  human /Sheila's blood in the silencer and Sheila getting a contact shot,  show the silencer was used during the massacre ?

[JackiePreece]

Adam your post ratio on this thread is 5:1.  Are you in competition with Mike?  Just askin like 

How long was the rifle with silencer?  Aren't they usually used outdoors?  Sometimes I practice my morris dancing with my riding stick and end up taking out all sorts.  Last year I brought my thimble collection down complete with the display cabinet.     My riding stick must be less than half the length of rifle plus silencer.  I'm surprised it only had red paint on from the Aga.  I would expect to find half the house in it swninging that round 

Do golfers practice their swings indoors thought it was just putting?

Last night I was out riding one of my two horses and I was thinking why no one has ever suggested Jeremy might have used a horse to get to and from the farm?  Robert Boutflour only looked for tyre marks.  He didn't look for hooves. 

[Caroline]

Adam your post ratio on this thread is 5:1.  Are you in competition with Mike?  Just askin like 

How long was the rifle with silencer?  Aren't they usually used outdoors?  Sometimes I practice my morris dancing with my riding stick and end up taking out all sorts.  Last year I brought my thimble collection down complete with the display cabinet.     My riding stick must be less than half the length of rifle plus silencer.  I'm surprised it only had red paint on from the Aga.  I would expect to find half the house in it swninging that round 

Do golfers practice their swings indoors thought it was just putting?

Last night I was out riding one of my two horses and I was thinking why no one has ever suggested Jeremy might have used a horse to get to and from the farm?  Robert Boutflour only looked for tyre marks.  He didn't look for hooves.

Possibly because Jeremy didn't have a horse? 

[JackiePreece]

Possibly because Jeremy didn't have a horse? 

Possibly, but he didn't own a bike either did he?  Did he have access to a horse?

Did they have horses at the farm?  Did June and Sheila ride?

[lookout]

Yes----he stole a horse ( knowing what a thief he was ) and complete with wet-suit,rode it to and from WHF

[JackiePreece]

Yes----he stole a horse ( knowing what a thief he was ) and complete with wet-suit,rode it to and from WHF

There's no need to be facetious Lookout 

[Caroline]

Possibly, but he didn't own a bike either did he?  Did he have access to a horse?

Did they have horses at the farm?  Did June and Sheila ride?

No, but he had access to a bike and his two legs. The horse element doesn't come into it - as far as I know, the farm only grew crops - no animals!!

[sami]

Adam your post ratio on this thread is 5:1.  Are you in competition with Mike?  Just askin like 

How long was the rifle with silencer?  Aren't they usually used outdoors?  Sometimes I practice my morris dancing with my riding stick and end up taking out all sorts.  Last year I brought my thimble collection down complete with the display cabinet.     My riding stick must be less than half the length of rifle plus silencer.  I'm surprised it only had red paint on from the Aga.  I would expect to find half the house in it swninging that round 

Do golfers practice their swings indoors thought it was just putting?

Last night I was out riding one of my two horses and I was thinking why no one has ever suggested Jeremy might have used a horse to get to and from the farm?  Robert Boutflour only looked for tyre marks.  He didn't look for hooves.

jackie you havnt hit yourself over the head while practicing your morris dancing,have you.whats that old tv series macmillan and wife he rides about the city on a horse

[lookout]

What was the animal feed for ? Their breakfasts ? Shredded wheat ?

[sami]

What was the animal feed for ? Their breakfasts ? Shredded wheat ?

for jackies horses