Allegations EP were tipped off about future legislation on evidence destruction:

[sami]

I thought the law was that items from crime, used at trial etc had to be kept indefinitely?

NGB are you able to confirm for us please?

every police station in the land would be full up not with prisoners but with evidence

[sami]

Why would the police get informed of new laws months earlier ? They would not need to implement any new laws until the day it became law. So don't need months of warning.

Maybe a week beforehand , once it has gone through parliament and an exact date has been made all police will be  informed.

But it is a good point, if they were somehow aware months earlier, either as the norm or through a tip off, why not destroy the items months earlier ? They could then claim they knew nothing about the upcoming new law and have more chance of being believed.

i say well in advance because iam sure police are on hand from the begining to advise if law can be implamented. i think thats the way it was

[lookout]

every police station in the land would be full up not with prisoners but with evidence

If the police got it right in the first place,there'd be no need for police stations,etc to be snowed under with paperwork and evidence.

[Jane]

If the police got it right in the first place,there'd be no need for police stations,etc to be snowed under with paperwork and evidence.

It isn't just the police. Every aspect of public life is becoming snowed under with paperwork, ie the NHS. I rest my case. Part of our compensation culture, I guess.

[sami]

we are only human we all make mistakes now and than. biggest ive made was to meet my wife ive now done 30years with her ,you only get 16 for murder.god help me

[lookout]

It isn't just the police. Every aspect of public life is becoming snowed under with paperwork, ie the NHS. I rest my case. Part of our compensation culture, I guess.

Even before I retired from the NHS,I can remember heaps of litigation cases coming in then,in the early 90's. Many,might I add,were something and nothing.In fact I was appalled by some and would have been quite astonished if they'd reached anywhere near a courtroom.
The compensation culture is another fiery viewpoint that I don't hold with,as it's had a massive impact on society in every workplace,and although my views on the police are pretty controversial,I do feel sorry for them at times,especially when they're dealing with troublesome people,that they have to be so careful not to use undue force,only that which is permissible. They must feel like punching the lights out of some of their " customers ",but leave them with the tiniest mark and the police then fall foul of being sued.
Teachers the same,with unruly kids. This compensation culture has created the state of society that we live in. Whoever thought of that one needs hanging.

[nugnug]

if a  law is being passed thts going to effect them do you think they dont know about it.

[sami]

i have to agree with one of the above posters.the old days you would never go home and tell your parents you were canned in school because you would get it again this time by your parents.disaplin has gone yob culture   is in.these days parents would be storming into the school to confront the teacher

[Jane]

Even before I retired from the NHS,I can remember heaps of litigation cases coming in then,in the early 90's. Many,might I add,were something and nothing.In fact I was appalled by some and would have been quite astonished if they'd reached anywhere near a courtroom.
The compensation culture is another fiery viewpoint that I don't hold with,as it's had a massive impact on society in every workplace,and although my views on the police are pretty controversial,I do feel sorry for them at times,especially when they're dealing with troublesome people,that they have to be so careful not to use undue force,only that which is permissible. They must feel like punching the lights out of some of their " customers ",but leave them with the tiniest mark and the police then fall foul of being sued.
Teachers the same,with unruly kids. This compensation culture has created the state of society that we live in. Whoever thought of that one needs hanging.

I have no argument with any of the above. It seems the pendulum never gets to sit comfortably in and around the middle.

[gringo]

all police forceses will know well in advance of any new laws been debated after all they have to impliment them.but it cuts both ways they had knowledge why before that law came in are they then that stupid as to wait 2 or 3 months before it comes in and destroy the evidenmce i dont think so .if they wanted to destroy any evidence they would have done early way early.so no consripcy theorist years later can come and make it look like it was done on pupose only 3 months before the new law

You have the thread before commenting, I take it Sami.
   If so, then you will already know that EP had been withholding evidence and exhibits prior to 1996 despite requests from the defence.
   You also should already be aware that EP were forced into court over the issue and ordered to make the evidence available on 28/11/94. Perhaps this is why they didn't just destroy it years earlier.
   They then destroy the evidence in 1996 and only admit this in 2000 when the CCRC request it and this rings no alarm bells to you.
    It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to conclude that EP have something to hide.
    To conclude that EP have acted entirely reasonably you need to be either very foolish or alternatively you are simply an apologist for police  corruption.

[susan]

You have the thread before commenting, I take it Sami.
   If so, then you will already know that EP had been withholding evidence and exhibits prior to 1996 despite requests from the defence.
   You also should already be aware that EP were forced into court over the issue and ordered to make the evidence available on 28/11/94. Perhaps this is why they didn't just destroy it years earlier.
   They then destroy the evidence in 1996 and only admit this in 2000 when the CCRC request it and this rings no alarm bells to you.
    It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to conclude that EP have something to hide.
    To conclude that EP have acted entirely reasonably you need to be either very foolish or alternatively you are simply an apologist for police  corruption.

Hi Gringo

good post and as always well researched.

[lookout]

He's brilliant,Susan and knows what he's talking about. He's a breath of fresh air.

[susan]

He's brilliant,Susan and knows what he's talking about. He's a breath of fresh air.

Hi lookout
I do find Gringo's posts very interesting wish he come on the forum more often.

[lookout]

Hi lookout
I do find Gringo's posts very interesting wish he come on the forum more often.

I'd imagine he's busy " studying form " to come up with such posts    He's been on the forum for a long time now and knows a lot about the case. As for him not being here so often----------less is more,if you get my drift.

[David1819]

I've already posted why it was useless.

your reasons why are just things you have made up