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Offline Caroline

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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2017, 12:19:AM »



And ?

And it makes this statement of yours



As I said,he wouldn't,but Sheila would-and did. Her father was a sitting duck.

Hypocritical BS!
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« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2017, 11:01:AM »
Nope--------just clever spin ! Which seemingly you can't/don't understand.

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« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2017, 11:51:AM »
Nope--------just clever spin ! Which seemingly you can't/don't understand.

There is nothing clever about pretending you grandstander how Jeremy's mind works, whilst criticising others for making similar suggestions. It just shows your bias and a need to be right above all else.
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« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2017, 11:57:AM »
There is nothing clever about pretending you grandstander how Jeremy's mind works, whilst criticising others for making similar suggestions. It just shows your bias and a need to be right above all else.





You and your cohorts have got a cheek talking about bias---------sheesh !! Who's the one who pushes your bias and floods threads showing your need to be right ?
It ain't me !!

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« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2017, 11:59:AM »
I don't need to write/post reams of repeats to get my point across !!

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« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2017, 12:02:PM »




You and your cohorts have got a cheek talking about bias---------sheesh !! Who's the one who pushes your bias and floods threads showing your need to be right ?
It ain't me !!

Errrr, think you'll find that I have looked at both sides where you have not and you NEVER admit to being wrong. You don't have a clue about Jeremy's character but it doesn't stop you dronnig on about what a lovely boy he is, little wet behind the ears but nothing that a good clip wouldn't have rectified (Jesus!)  ;D ;)
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« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2017, 12:11:PM »
Errrr, think you'll find that I have looked at both sides where you have not and you NEVER admit to being wrong. You don't have a clue about Jeremy's character but it doesn't stop you dronnig on about what a lovely boy he is, little wet behind the ears but nothing that a good clip wouldn't have rectified (Jesus!)  ;D ;)





If I'd looked at both sides it would have taken me longer than 6 months before I drew any conclusion over the killing of 5 people. Even police can take years in deciding/changing their minds as to who the real killer is/was.
How it was that two people suddenly changed their minds TOGETHER almost simultaneously, seemed " unreal ".
I've remained steadfast because I hadn't believed him to be guilty from day one------so no contest.

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« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2017, 12:15:PM »




If I'd looked at both sides it would have taken me longer than 6 months before I drew any conclusion over the killing of 5 people. Even police can take years in deciding/changing their minds as to who the real killer is/was.
How it was that two people suddenly changed their minds TOGETHER almost simultaneously, seemed " unreal ".
I've remained steadfast because I hadn't believed him to be guilty from day one------so no contest.

Yes, it would have taj=ken you longer than six months and you might have had a better understanding rater than shutting your mind down. What two people are you talking about?
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« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2017, 12:20:PM »
Yes, it would have taj=ken you longer than six months and you might have had a better understanding rater than shutting your mind down. What two people are you talking about?





My mind is never shut down-------except when I go to bed,then everything is wiped out !
Oh I think you know who those two people are------yourself and Jane. ( joined at the hip )

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« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2017, 01:35:PM »




You and your cohorts have got a cheek talking about bias---------sheesh !! Who's the one who pushes your bias and floods threads showing your need to be right ?
It ain't me !!

That's ironic coming from someone who claims never to be wrong.

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« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2017, 01:53:PM »
That's ironic coming from someone who claims never to be wrong.





Why,then,don't you admit that I'm not the only one ?? You're not averse in telling ME ?

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« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2017, 01:54:PM »




If I'd looked at both sides it would have taken me longer than 6 months before I drew any conclusion over the killing of 5 people. Even police can take years in deciding/changing their minds as to who the real killer is/was.
How it was that two people suddenly changed their minds TOGETHER almost simultaneously, seemed " unreal ".
I've remained steadfast because I hadn't believed him to be guilty from day one------so no contest.

You're absolutely correct, Lookout. It probably WOULD have taken you longer than 6 months to draw a final conclusion, during which time you may well have changed your mind a few times, but at least you'd have had the satisfaction of knowing why you came to the conclusion you did. As it stands, you appear to be relying on nothing more than gut feeling and your belief that all Jeremy needed was a cuddle and/or a clipped ear to put him on the straight and narrow, however, your refusal to look at this in any other light smacks of fear of what you may be forced to see. Heaven forbid you should ever be placed in a position from which you have to admit you were wrong. Crowing about "remaining steadfast" is nothing to be proud of when you've never bothered to look at the entire picture and have deliberately closed your eyes to anything other than what you CHOOSE to believe. It DOESN'T make you right.

As for your concerns about how it was that two people -and I imaging you're speaking of Caroline and me- "TOGETHER almost simultaneously" changed their minds. Why does it bother you?

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« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2017, 02:31:PM »
You're absolutely correct, Lookout. It probably WOULD have taken you longer than 6 months to draw a final conclusion, during which time you may well have changed your mind a few times, but at least you'd have had the satisfaction of knowing why you came to the conclusion you did. As it stands, you appear to be relying on nothing more than gut feeling and your belief that all Jeremy needed was a cuddle and/or a clipped ear to put him on the straight and narrow, however, your refusal to look at this in any other light smacks of fear of what you may be forced to see. Heaven forbid you should ever be placed in a position from which you have to admit you were wrong. Crowing about "remaining steadfast" is nothing to be proud of when you've never bothered to look at the entire picture and have deliberately closed your eyes to anything other than what you CHOOSE to believe. It DOESN'T make you right.

As for your concerns about how it was that two people -and I imaging you're speaking of Caroline and me- "TOGETHER almost simultaneously" changed their minds. Why does it bother you?





I came onto this forum with my mind already made up and I wasn't going to let/allow posters change it for me in any way. There is no earthly reason why I should change my mind and the more that posters go on about the guilt of the man the more it strengthens my resolve in believing his innocence.
Those who find him guilty are an entirely different set of people in my mind,to the ones who say he's innocent as apart from myself most of the innocent posters were calm and collected as opposed to those who find him guilty. I know by how rotten some of the guilty posters were towards me and others whereas,not the same can be said for the innocents ? Why's this ?

I'm not a bit bothered about the decision you chose to change tack,but just wondered why both together as opposed to forwardly/openly discussing it,with justified reasons.

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« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2017, 03:20:PM »




I came onto this forum with my mind already made up and I wasn't going to let/allow posters change it for me in any way. There is no earthly reason why I should change my mind and the more that posters go on about the guilt of the man the more it strengthens my resolve in believing his innocence.
Those who find him guilty are an entirely different set of people in my mind,to the ones who say he's innocent as apart from myself most of the innocent posters were calm and collected as opposed to those who find him guilty. I know by how rotten some of the guilty posters were towards me and others whereas,not the same can be said for the innocents ? Why's this ?

I'm not a bit bothered about the decision you chose to change tack,but just wondered why both together as opposed to forwardly/openly discussing it,with justified reasons.

You came onto the forum with your mind already made up and dug your heels in/blocked your ears/closed your eyes to anything which might sway you in another direction? WHY? What would have been so terrible about changing your mind?

You see no valid reason to change your mind and the fact that you think others are trying to persuade/coerce you "strengthens your resolve in believing his innocence"? You make it sound as if you sometimes find it difficult to hang on to your "resolve" and that it's more about fighting others than your belief.

I don't actually experience as "calm and collected" (m)any of Jeremy's supporters. There's certainly much self aggrandisement amongst their number, much making it up as you go, MUCH spitefulness, anger, histrionics,goading, threats and blatant lies. As a woman who prides herself on her honesty, and claims to know lies when she's faced with them, are you going to tell me that any part is wrong, of those observations? I will add the rider that this DOESN'T apply to everyone who believes Jeremy is innocent.

Regarding my own change of mind -naturally, I can't/won't speak for Caroline- you must be aware of how ardent a supporter I was, certainly triggered by the adoption issue, and how vitriolic against Julie I was -although I've yet to change my mind about her appalling dress sense. There was no blinding flash, as experienced by St Paul on the road to Damascus, it was a gradual dawning, rather like acknowledging I was trying to hold onto a relationship which had ceased to work, with someone I'd ceased to know and no longer trusted. I felt as if I was, too loudly, defending the indefensible to drown out the voice of doubt. Believe me, it wasn't easy admitting I'd been wrong -yes, I received the derision I'd been expecting- which is maybe why I kept it to myself for a while. It was a relief when I did reveal. It would have achieved nothing to discuss it openly -I'll bet you wouldn't have, either- I needed to get it straight in MY head, first.

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Re: Who sowed the seeds
« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2017, 03:31:PM »




My mind is never shut down-------except when I go to bed,then everything is wiped out !
Oh I think you know who those two people are------yourself and Jane. ( joined at the hip )

Maggie will back me up on this Lookout - just so you know once and for all. When we ALL moderated, we talked extensively behind the scenes. For almost a year, I kept my feelings that Bamber might have been guilty from the rest of the board - truth is, we all had little niggles that we discussed between ourselves and for Jane and I, it became a niggle too many. However,  I came to a guilty conclusion on the open forum before Jane did.

You're the first to jump on someone's band wagon as long as they support an innocent stance - the above is just typical of you.  ::)
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