What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

These were not accidental errors, but deliberate attempts to confuse anyone who might come along at a later date, trying to reconstruct events...

[mike tesko]

I have fresh material...

[mike tesko]

I have fresh material...

I have previously mentioned that DS 'Stan' Jones, left Jeremy's cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, Essex, to return to the scene, where he recovered four exhibits (SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and ,a silencer', SBJ/1). Other people have claimed that DS Jones never went back to the scene 'that' morning but I am afraid 'he did'. What's more, he seized or took a total of four exhibits whilst there, including a 'silencer'. Conformation that he did leave Jeremys cottage on that first morning can be found on page 4 of his witness statement, dated, 3rd October, 1985. For example he left Jeremys cottage at 11.35am, that morning and did not return until 3.15pm, that same date...

When COLP interviewed him about this in 1992, DS Jones said that he could not then remember why he had returned to the scene, but he accepted that he must have gone back there from Jeremys cottage that morning - oh, yeah, he took four exhibits on that particular occasion and one of them was a silencer (SBJ/1), and he 'forgot'?

[mike tesko]

I have fresh material...

Between 11.45am and 3.05pm, that date, DS Jones who had returned to the farmhouse from Jeremys cottage, took possession of 'a silencer' from the downstairs toilet, he took 'a photograph' inside the downstairs toilet, he took possession of 'a calendar' that was hanging on the left hand side of the red painted aga surround, and 'one other item' from the kitchen...

According to police documentation, the 'photograph that DS Jones took on that occasion' was 'DESTROYED'...

SBJ/1 - a silencer
SBJ/2 -
SBJ/3 -
SBJ/4 -

[mike tesko]

I have fresh material...

I will update the exhibit descriptions for these four key exhibits in due course, but in any event they have been identified 'elsewhere' on the forum...

Why would police feel the need to 'DESTROY' a photograph that was taken by DS Jones at the scene of the downstairs toilet? Well, for a start the downstairs toilet was the normal location for where Anthony Pargeter kept his guns, ammunitions, and firearm accessories. What this tells us, is that if Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was there at the farm that morning, then DS Jones almost certainly captured its presence there in the downstairs toilet on the same morning of the shootings. If Pargters .22 rifle was there, why has Pargeter himself claimed he took it away from the farmhouse on the penultimate week-end prior to the shootings occurring?

Something is dramatically wrong with what Pargeter has said about the whereabouts of his rifle at the time of the shootings. He Told Essex police in a witness statement that he had purchased his .22 bolt action bruno make rifle in 1980, and had always kept it at whf in the downstairs toilet, but that he made it his practice to always remove the bolt from the rifle and take that away with him to his home in Buckinghamshire, so that 'no-one else could fire 'it' in his absence'. Now, why would he make a statement like that if at the time of the shootings, his .22 bruno bolt action rifle was 'not present at the scene at the time of the shootings'?

It doesn't make sense for him to say to Essex police that although his rifle is always kept at the farm, he made it a habit to take out the bolt and take 'that' home with him, so that 'no-one could fire it in his absence'. Yet by the time COLP interview him in 1992, he is saying something complately different, he then starts to say his rifle wasn't at the farmhouse at the time of the shootings, because he had taken it home on the penultimate week-end before the shootings occurred?

It doesn't sound convincing enough to me...

[sami]

I have previously mentioned that DS 'Stan' Jones, left Jeremy's cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, Essex, to return to the scene, where he recovered four exhibits (SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and ,a silencer', SBJ/1). Other people have claimed that DS Jones never went back to the scene 'that' morning but I am afraid 'he did'. What's more, he seized or took a total of four exhibits whilst there, including a 'silencer'. Conformation that he did leave Jeremys cottage on that first morning can be found on page 4 of his witness statement, dated, 3rd October, 1985. For example he left Jeremys cottage at 11.35am, that morning and did not return until 3.15pm, that same date...

When COLP interviewed him about this in 1992, DS Jones said that he could not then remember why he had returned to the scene, but he accepted that he must have gone back there from Jeremys cottage that morning - oh, yeah, he took four exhibits on that particular occasion and one of them was a silencer (SBJ/1), and he 'forgot'?

mike i can see where it says he left and returned ,but not where he went or what he collected

[mike tesko]

mike i can see where it says he left and returned ,but not where he went or what he collected

I will source the Colp interview notes, and the 'MIPR' entries confirming that he took three of the four exhibits, 'SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2', since exhibit 'SBJ/1' is self explanatory...

'SBJ/1' being 'a silencer'...

[sami]

I will source the Colp interview notes, and the 'MIPR' entries confirming that he took three of the four exhibits, 'SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2', since exhibit 'SBJ/1' is self explanatory...

'SBJ/1' being 'a silencer'...

thanks mike

[mike tesko]

please all bear in mind, that although four exhibits were taken at the scene by DS 'Stan' Jones on the 7th August, 1985, that he 'never' produced a witness statement making mention that he had seized any of these (SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4) exhibits in a witness statement, although, close scrutiny of these 'MIPR' entries do, and if you look at the dates of issue of his notebook, it becomes clear that he either was given, or obtained an additional blank notebook so that he could 'write out' and omit the taking of these four exhibits at the scene when the case was being investigated as 'four murders, and a suicide'...

DS 'Stan' Jones certainly had possession of 'a silencer (SBJ/1) on the 7th August 1985, when he performed work at the scene on behalf of SOC between 11.45am and 3.05pm. This was the only period during the investigation when DS Jones was seconded to work with SOC, and cops have gone to great lengths to try to conceal these 'rogue' duties...

[mike tesko]

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[mike tesko]

What we have are 'two' silencers, 'not' one...

[mike tesko]

There exist three key dates when cops and relatives, or cops and relatives say that a silencer came into the possession of Essex police, and when these were sent or taken to the lab'to be examined:-

(1) - 7th August 1985 (SBJ/1) kept on top of DCI 'Taff' Jones desk at With am police station...

(2) - 12th August 1985  (SJ/1, that subsequently became,  DB/1) taken to lab' on 13th and 30th August 1985

(3)  - 11th September 1985 (DRB/1, that subsequently replaced, DB/1, SJ/1, and SBJ/1) submitted to lab' on the 20th September 1985, to be checked for blood...

[mike tesko]

David Boutflour scraped a small flake of dried blood using a razor blade from the silencer (DRB/1) that his sister Ann Eaton handed over to DC Oakey on the 11th September 1985...

[sami]

yes,i see what you mean mike

[mike tesko]

The flake that 'David Boutflour' scraped from the DRB/1 silencer, using a razor blade, was scraped from 'the outside' of the silencer, 'not' found inside 'it'. He told COLP investigators that Essex cops 'knew' what he had done. But he didn't name the Essex cops who knew, or what was done with the flake. Boutflour did not have time to scrape the said flake from the other silencer taken to his sisters house on the 10th August 1985, because he said he only looked at the silencer at the kitchen table in the presence of his sister, Ann Eaton, and her husband, Peter Eaton, before they put it away in a wardrobe upstairs for safe keeping. What this means is that David Boutflour could not have scraped the flake from 'this/ that' silencer, without Ann Eaton and Peter Eaton knowing about 'it'. What's more on the evening of the 12th August August 1985 when Peter Eaton saw DS Jones and gave him the silencer, he would have told 'him' about the small flake of blood that his brother in law had scraped from 'it', and if he had got 'it' he would have handed 'it' to Jones on that occasion, and in all probability the flake would have been analysed a month before it eventually was...

No, David Boutflour scraped the flake from the 'other' silencer, the one he and his sister introduced on the 11th September 1985, the silencer (DRB/1) which his sister handed over along with the the other 'DRB' exhibits to DC Oakey on the 11th September 1985, that David Boutflour contacted cops about on the 12th September 1985. It is my belief, that in addition to Ann Eaton handing over that silencer to DC Oakey on that occasion was that she 'also' handed over 'the flake' her brother had claimed to have scraped from it. Cops must have transported the flake to the lab' in time for the blood expert to start analysing the flake between the 12th and 19th September 1985...

Cops, relatives and at least two lab' experts, Fletcher and Hayward must have been in on 'the frame up', because the flake of blood attributed as being exclusive and unique to Sheila Caffell, was 'not' found inside the silencer. There is every reason to suppose that It was not originally scraped from the outside of the silencer (either), we only have the word of David Boutflour, he could have made the story up, he had access to the bloody crime scene, and the bloodied knickers belonging to Sheila Caffell...