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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2430 on: June 07, 2016, 08:46:PM »
evening mike,would ep have destroyed the negitives by now.they wouldnt want that to come out

It isn't Essex police that Jeremy and his legal team have only got to worry about, the CCRC are a dab hand at destroying evidence once the application has been dismissed. You can't trust the CCRC, in 2010 when my application to the CCRC got turned down the CCRC said they were going to destroy all the files they had on my case, despite me contacting them asking them not to do any such thing. You can't 100% trust them, that's all I'm saying...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2431 on: June 07, 2016, 08:49:PM »
It isn't Essex police that Jeremy and his legal team have only got to worry about, the CCRC are a dab hand at destroying evidence once the application has been dismissed. You can't trust the CCRC, in 2010 when my application to the CCRC got turned down the CCRC said they were going to destroy all the files they had on my case, despite me contacting them asking them not to do any such thing. You can't 100% trust them, that's all I'm saying...
i see, good point there must still be some bad'ens in ep.theres allways a few

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2432 on: June 07, 2016, 08:52:PM »
I can guarantee in the Liverpool Echo nearly every day there's a crime committed by a cop------usually sergeants. There's one today.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2433 on: June 07, 2016, 09:00:PM »
I can guarantee in the Liverpool Echo nearly every day there's a crime committed by a cop------usually sergeants. There's one today.
lookout you must remember the dci caught giving info to a friend who than passed it to cocky curtis warren.warren was no ordinary drug dealer ,he was a drug wholesaler not kgs but tons ,
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2434 on: June 07, 2016, 09:17:PM »
It isn't Essex police that Jeremy and his legal team have only got to worry about, the CCRC are a dab hand at destroying evidence once the application has been dismissed. You can't trust the CCRC, in 2010 when my application to the CCRC got turned down the CCRC said they were going to destroy all the files they had on my case, despite me contacting them asking them not to do any such thing. You can't 100% trust them, that's all I'm saying...
I think it's about time they had a panel consisting of Michael Mansfield QC, Helena Kennedy QC, Peter Tatchell and one or two others to clear this up once and for all.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2435 on: June 07, 2016, 09:25:PM »
I think it's about time they had a panel consisting of Michael Mansfield QC, Helena Kennedy QC, Peter Tatchell and one or two others to clear this up once and for all.
absolutely

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2436 on: June 07, 2016, 09:26:PM »
lookout you must remember the dci caught giving info to a friend who than passed it to cocky curtis warren.warren was no ordinary drug dealer ,he was a drug wholesaler not kgs but tons ,





There was always some jiggery-pokery going on with that guy and the police didn't seem to be in a hurry to track him down. He's still got assets intact too.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2437 on: June 07, 2016, 09:31:PM »
At the moment the CCRC have blocked me from contacting them with fresh evidence that has arisen out of the 'Hillsboro' inquests, relating to the 'tamperings' of 116 police officers witness statements (April, 1989), despite the fact that in September 1988 at my trial at Sheffield Crown court, before Judge Hunt and jury that my entire defence related to DC Richardson making a witness statement on behalf of DS Higham, which started off life as a 9 page witness statement, dated, 25th August 1987. By the time my trial got under way the statement had 'grown in size' to a 10 page statement, which arose because somebody had cannibalised the original witness statement, removed the original page 5 contents, added in two complete pages of additional evidence numbered 5 and 6, that had been typed out by use of a completely different typewriter,  then altered the original page 5, 7, 8, and 9 page numbers, into page numbers, 7, 8, 9 and 10, without anyone knowing of the whereabouts of the original page 5 contents, or who had typed out the two retyped pages, or altered the page numbers. Nobody knew who was responsible for doing this, and I got convicted because the judge just carried on as though nothing unusual or out of the ordinary had happened. Can you honestly believe what lengths cops, the CP's and the judiciary will go to get their pounds worth of meat? Less than 7 months later, along comes the 'Hillsboro' tragedy, cops adopt same tactics used to prosecute me, they 'tamper' with and 'doctor' 116 police statements...

If judge Hunt had had the bottle at my trial to call a halt to the proceedings because cops weren't making their own statements, or editing them, I don't think the families, friends and the supporters would have had to wait 27 years for justice. It gets worse because at my appeal in 1994 , at the Royal Courts of justice, I being represented by Michael Mansfield QC, after an appeal lasting one week, the court dismissed my appeal, citing that if Mansfield sought to take the matter to the 'House of Lords' as he had indicated, then the court would have no option but to implement the 'priviso', which effectively resulted in no revised judgement of the findings in my appeal. This was done because the judiciary knew there was a tenuos lunk between the tactics used by South Yorkshire police, and the 'Hillsboro cover up tragedy, involving the unscrupoloys practice of cops making each others witness statements, and editing them, etc. At the time of my appeals refusal (February, 1994), the families of the 'Hillsboro' 96, were only coming up to the 5 year point of their 27 year long wait for justice. What I am saying that even at that stage (1994)  the courts had the opportunity to open up the witness statement scandal now self evidence in the 'Hillsboro' co er up, by quashing my convictions for a similar evidential rwason. But, the various agencies of the state involved in these despicable practices were not yet prepared to yield to the as it now turns out to be the absolute truth and the injustice which the fabricating of these witness statements imposed upon so many victims and their families...

In 2010, the CCRC dragged out my application to have my case referred back to the court of appeal from as long ago as 2008 when I first lodged it. They eventually dismissed my application by deliberately lying to me saying that although the 42 page judgement, from the appeal, dated, February, 1994, had ' gone missing' and could not be found, they pursued my application on the basis that the court had dealt with all my grounds of appeal, despite me repeatedly informing them that my own grounds of appeal that the Registrar at the appeal court had asked me to submit, had not even got a mention during the week long appeal hearing. The CCRC were having none of it, their view prevailed and my application was dismissed...

However, since that time, a 42 page unedited version of the courts judgement at my appeal dated February, 1994, surfaced...

The court did not produce a Judgement because of the threat that they would implement the 'proviso' should Mansfield QC take the matter to the 'House of Lords'...

I have relodged my application to the CCRC, pointing out all the errors they made when dealing with my previous application (2008 / 2010), adding that I would be adding additional grounds to support my new application once the Inquests into the deaths of the 'Hillsboro' 96 victims. The CCRC have blocked me from sending them any more material or information because they are saying it is taking up too much of their time and is interfering with other applications that they are having to deal with...

Oh, its OK, I've only been waiting 28 years for justice to be done...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2438 on: June 07, 2016, 09:32:PM »




There was always some jiggery-pokery going on with that guy and the police didn't seem to be in a hurry to track him down. He's still got assets intact too.
he also made it into the times rich list,cant remember what number he was,i must say liverpudlians are the most warm and caring people ive ever met.imo
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2439 on: June 07, 2016, 09:35:PM »
At the moment the CCRC have blocked me from contacting them with fresh evidence that has arisen out of the 'Hillsboro' inquests, relating to the 'tamperings' of 116 police officers witness statements (April, 1989), despite the fact that in September 1988 at my trial at Sheffield Crown court, before Judge Hunt and jury that my entire defence related to DC Richardson making a witness statement on behalf of DS Higham, which started off life as a 9 page witness statement, dated, 25th August 1987. By the time my trial got under way the statement had 'grown in size' to a 10 page statement, which arose because somebody had cannibalised the original witness statement, removed the original page 5 contents, added in two complete pages of additional evidence numbered 5 and 6, that had been typed out by use of a completely different typewriter,  then altered the original page 5, 7, 8, and 9 page numbers, into page numbers, 7, 8, 9 and 10, without anyone knowing of the whereabouts of the original page 5 contents, or who had typed out the two retyped pages, or altered the page numbers. Nobody knew who was responsible for doing this, and I got convicted because the judge just carried on as though nothing unusual or out of the ordinary had happened. Can you honestly believe what lengths cops, the CP's and the judiciary will go to get their pounds worth of meat? Less than 7 months later, along comes the 'Hillsboro' tragedy, cops adopt same tactics used to prosecute me, they 'tamper' with and 'doctor' 116 police statements...

If judge Hunt had had the bottle at my trial to call a halt to the proceedings because cops weren't making their own statements, or editing them, I don't think the families, friends and the supporters would have had to wait 27 years for justice. It gets worse because at my appeal in 1994 , at the Royal Courts of justice, I being represented by Michael Mansfield QC, after an appeal lasting one week, the court dismissed my appeal, citing that if Mansfield sought to take the matter to the 'House of Lords' as he had indicated, then the court would have no option but to implement the 'priviso', which effectively resulted in no revised judgement of the findings in my appeal. This was done because the judiciary knew there was a tenuos lunk between the tactics used by South Yorkshire police, and the 'Hillsboro cover up tragedy, involving the unscrupoloys practice of cops making each others witness statements, and editing them, etc. At the time of my appeals refusal (February, 1994), the families of the 'Hillsboro' 96, were only coming up to the 5 year point of their 27 year long wait for justice. What I am saying that even at that stage (1994)  the courts had the opportunity to open up the witness statement scandal now self evidence in the 'Hillsboro' co er up, by quashing my convictions for a similar evidential rwason. But, the various agencies of the state involved in these despicable practices were not yet prepared to yield to the as it now turns out to be the absolute truth and the injustice which the fabricating of these witness statements imposed upon so many victims and their families...

In 2010, the CCRC dragged out my application to have my case referred back to the court of appeal from as long ago as 2008 when I first lodged it. They eventually dismissed my application by deliberately lying to me saying that although the 42 page judgement, from the appeal, dated, February, 1994, had ' gone missing' and could not be found, they pursued my application on the basis that the court had dealt with all my grounds of appeal, despite me repeatedly informing them that my own grounds of appeal that the Registrar at the appeal court had asked me to submit, had not even got a mention during the week long appeal hearing. The CCRC were having none of it, their view prevailed and my application was dismissed...

However, since that time, a 42 page unedited version of the courts judgement at my appeal dated February, 1994, surfaced...

The court did not produce a Judgement because of the threat that they would implement the 'proviso' should Mansfield QC take the matter to the 'House of Lords'...

I have relodged my application to the CCRC, pointing out all the errors they made when dealing with my previous application (2008 / 2010), adding that I would be adding additional grounds to support my new application once the Inquests into the deaths of the 'Hillsboro' 96 victims. The CCRC have blocked me from sending them any more material or information because they are saying it is taking up too much of their time and is interfering with other applications that they are having to deal with...

Oh, its OK, I've only been waiting 28 years for justice to be done...
thats scandalous mike

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2440 on: June 07, 2016, 09:36:PM »
he also made it into the times rich list,cant remember what number he was,i must say liverpudlians are the most warm and caring people ive ever met.imo




Yes,I can appreciate that after the travelling I've done over the years both home and abroad

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2441 on: June 07, 2016, 09:38:PM »
he also made it into the times rich list,cant remember what number he was,i must say liverpudlians are the most warm and caring people ive ever met.imo

Very friendly, and very helpful to anybody in need. I used to do a lot of hitchhiking from city to city, town to town, village to village all over the UK when I worked, and you could guarantee that no matter where I was standing or walking with my trade plate displayed, often in the middle of nowhere, it'd be a Liverpudlian who would stop and 'ask me, if they could help me...

Great people in general...

Not only that but they would very often go out of their way, off their intended route, to help me out when time was running out...
« Last Edit: June 07, 2016, 09:41:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2442 on: June 07, 2016, 09:43:PM »
Witness statements have been 'tampered' with and 'edited' in Bambers  case, just like 'Hillsboro' and my own case...

Nothing has changed much during the last three decades...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2443 on: June 07, 2016, 09:49:PM »
As I say, you can't trust the CCRC, who were put into place to delay big cases coming to the appeal court quickly catching the judiciary and the government of the day, off guard, in the manner with which the Birmingham six, Guildford fours, and all the other major miscarriages of justice did in that era...

In my opinion, the CCRC are not fit for purpose, it should be disbanded...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2444 on: June 07, 2016, 09:55:PM »
77 negatives cut from the original strips of 10...

You don't deliberately remove all those (77) photographs 'unless' you have 'got something to hide'...

I am telling you all now, that Sheila's body was on the bed before cops moved 'it' to the bedroom floor. She had only been shot once by that stage (on bed). She got shot a second time after cops moved her body onto the bedroom floor. Ask yourself how could she have shot herself a second time in the bedroom after cops had moved her body from the bed to the bedroom floor, if she had a!ready been dead from the first shot?
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