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Offline jon

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2085 on: June 01, 2016, 12:08:PM »

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2086 on: June 01, 2016, 12:33:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,776.0.html
Thanks Jon. I don't accept that had Sheila shot herself once in the kitchen she would have had enough strength to scamper back upstairs(and why return to June?) for Police (conveniently for Jeremy) to shoot her there by mistake.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2087 on: June 01, 2016, 12:38:PM »
Thanks Jon. I don't accept that had Sheila shot herself once in the kitchen she would have had enough strength to scamper back upstairs(and why return to June?) for Police (conveniently for Jeremy) to shoot her there by mistake.

I agree Steve.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2088 on: June 01, 2016, 12:52:PM »
Thanks Jon. I don't accept that had Sheila shot herself once in the kitchen she would have had enough strength to scamper back upstairs(and why return to June?) for Police (conveniently for Jeremy) to shoot her there by mistake.
I would think she may have been able to wander around for a bit but even standing up would have taken quite an effort never mind climbing stairs. 
Her body would have been in shock, oxygen to her non vital extremities would be at a minimum and channeled to her vital organs at this time.   
Obviously, I don't know but I find it difficult to believe she could have climbed a whole flight of stairs in this condition, I think any such attempts would have caused her to lose consciousness.  :-\

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2089 on: June 01, 2016, 12:56:PM »
Thanks Jon. I don't accept that had Sheila shot herself once in the kitchen she would have had enough strength to scamper back upstairs(and why return to June?) for Police (conveniently for Jeremy) to shoot her there by mistake.


Steve, one only needs to factor in "broken neck" to see just how impossible such action would have been.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2090 on: June 01, 2016, 01:39:PM »
According to Professor Knights testimony during the trial, he stated with the type of injury received by the bullet that was fired across Sheila's throat, that she may have been able to have stayed on her feet and moved around for a long time, for a period lasting up to half an hour after sustaining that initial shot. He is an expert in this field and he would not have said 'up to half an hour' if he was not sure. Of course, it appears that Knight was referring to constant upright movement after the first shot, until the second shot was inflicted which took her life instantaneously. He does not take into account that Sheila may have lapsed into temporarily unconsciousness, say from somewhere between 7.37am and 8.10am, and then been able to move around, or for how long?

What we do know, by reference to the police logs, is that Sheila's was the female body, reported after mention of a dead male body, in the kitchen by 7.37am, and that by 8.10am there were only three bodies upstairs by that stage (June, Nicholas, and Daniel). Some time after 8.10am, Sheila's body ended upstairs in the main bedroom. We know this because police passed messages to each other, and recorded these messages against timed events. Why would cops falsify an account of there having been two bodies in the kitchen, and a further three bodies upstairs between 7.37am and 8.10am, if by the time the police surgeon verified death in all five cases by 8.44am, with only one male body downstairs in the kitchen, and by that stage four bodies upstairs in the bedrooms?  There would have been no need to introduce a contradictory scenario of 'two bodies' in the kitchen from as early as 7.37am, and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am, if it didn't pan out like that during that specific period in time...

What is missing from those same police radio message logs, are the messages that were passed, received and relayed after 8.10am, to account for how and why the actual body count altered by the 'migration' of Sheila's body from the kitchen to the main bedroom. There was obviously other messages that were passed that are of key importance relating to the apparent movement of Sheila between the kitchen and the bedroom between 8.10am and 8.44am. Cops have 'edited out' this information, and in there haste to do so, they made a fatal mistake in that at no stage anywhere in any of the police logs does it account for a fourth body having been found upstairs - it just 'ends up there', as 'if by magic'...

Sheila's body was originally present in the kitchen, but ended up in the main bedroom. For that to be true, she would have had to have made her own way from the kitchen, to the bedroom. What I am trying to say, is that the testimony given by Professor knight regarding the length of time to have passed between the onset of the first shot across the neck, until the second shot might have been delivered, fits this criteria snugly...

Whether you adopt what David Shaw professes happened with regard to Sheila being shot in the kitchen by use of the anshuzt rifle, and later shot again upstairs by a different gun, or the account I have given that cops shot Sheila in the kitchen and Sheila was killed in the main bedroom by use of the anshuzt rifle, one thing we are both in agreement on, and that is, that the first shot received by Sheila downstairs in the kitchen was 'non fatal' in nature...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2091 on: June 01, 2016, 01:40:PM »

Steve, one only needs to factor in "broken neck" to see just how impossible such action would have been.
you know better than 'Professor Knight' then do ya?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2092 on: June 01, 2016, 01:48:PM »
Linked to the two shots inflicted upon Sheila, is the claim by myself, and David Shaw, that at least two different guns were used in the shooting of Sheila. I say first shot was inflicted with use of a cops gun, the second with use of the anshuzt rifle, whereas, David Shaw states she was shot first with the anshuzt rifle, and secondly with use of 'an unidentified' rifle...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2093 on: June 01, 2016, 01:49:PM »
you know better than 'Professor Knight' then do ya?


Vanezis currently says she never moved after the first shot. You know better than Vanezis then, do ya?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2094 on: June 01, 2016, 01:54:PM »
Linked to the two shots inflicted upon Sheila, is the claim by myself, and David Shaw, that at least two different guns were used in the shooting of Sheila. I say first shot was inflicted with use of a cops gun, the second with use of the anshuzt rifle, whereas, David Shaw states she was shot first with the anshuzt rifle, and secondly with use of 'an unidentified' rifle...

Set against this scenario are two bullets, PV/20 (a badly fragmented bullet), linked to the shot across the neck), and PV/19 (a whole bullet, recovered from victims brain)...

Mystery surrounds PV/20, since it had to grow into a whole bullet, from a badly fragmented one, before the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, could link 'it' as having been fired via the anshuzt rifle...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2095 on: June 01, 2016, 01:56:PM »

Vanezis currently says she never moved after the first shot. You know better than Vanezis then, do ya?

Venezis did not say that, so I'm saying I know better than what you are saying Venezia said, and by the way nobody claims that Sheila's neck was broken, only you...

How does Venezis account for the displacement of Sheila's body from the kitchen to the bedroom?

He doesn't say anything which could remotely account for how Sheila got from one place to the other, whereas, Professor Knights does (without even knowing the fact that she had and did)...
« Last Edit: June 01, 2016, 02:03:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2096 on: June 01, 2016, 02:02:PM »
Set against this scenario are two bullets, PV/20 (a badly fragmented bullet), linked to the shot across the neck), and PV/19 (a whole bullet, recovered from victims brain)...

Mystery surrounds PV/20, since it had to grow into a whole bullet, from a badly fragmented one, before the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, could link 'it' as having been fired via the anshuzt rifle...

Exhibit PV/20 was 'tampered' with, it grew from originally being a 'badly fragmented bullet' on 7th August 1985, into a 'whole bullet' so that the ballistic expert could associate it to the anshuzt rifle. He was able to do this because the substituted whole bullet that replaced the badly fragmented one, had been test fired using the anshuzt rifle...
« Last Edit: June 01, 2016, 02:04:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2097 on: June 01, 2016, 02:03:PM »
Venezia did not say that, so I'm saying I know better than what you are saying Venezia said, and by the way nobody claims that Sheila's neck was broken, only you...

How does Venezia account for the displacement of Sheila's body from the kitchen to the bedroom?

He doesn't say anything which could remotely account for how Sheila got from one place to the other, whereas, Professor Knights does (without even knowing the fact that she had and did)...


Have you read CAL? You are the only one placing Sheila in the kitchen.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2098 on: June 01, 2016, 02:06:PM »

Have you read CAL? You are the only one placing Sheila in the kitchen.

No, the police logs place a female in the kitchen from 7.37am, onward. That female could only have been a reference to Sheila, because nobody could hope to describe June Bambers death as a suicide...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2099 on: June 01, 2016, 02:08:PM »
Why didn't any cop question why there is no mention of a fourth body upstairs in any of the disclosed police logs?
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