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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #780 on: May 13, 2016, 08:48:AM »
So it wasn't Neville in the kitchen. It was Sheila.

No, not quite how you put it...

Dad was in the kitchen, but so was daughter. PC Collins misidentified dads body for the body of a female from his vantage point outside the kitchen window before cops entered the house and then the kitchen. When cops eventually entered the kitchen, PC Collins realised his mistake in identifying dads body as a female, but cops were also presented with as it turned out the body of Sheila. In a nutshell, there was dad and daughter present in the kitchen when PC Collins peered in through the kitchen window, but he could only see one of them, which he mistakenly thought was a female when as it turns out it was dad. He didn't see Sheila. Hence, why once all the commotion of cops getting into the kitchen itself because of the struggle between PS Woodcock and an unarmed Sheila, led to her being shot 'across the neck', and ended up with her being 'presumed' dead downstairs in the kitchen, in time for the police message to be passed at 7.37am, 'THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, AND THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE, FOUND UPON ENTRY TO KITCHEN'...

If this wasn't true, then cops would have reported finding 'four other bodies upstairs in the bedrooms' by 8.10am, but they only reported three. They could only find three bodies upstairs 'after 7.37am, because two bodies had already been reported as being 'dead' downstairs in the kitchen, earlier...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #781 on: May 13, 2016, 08:53:AM »
No, not quite how you put it...

Dad was in the kitchen, but so was daughter. PC Collins misidentified dads body for the body of a female from his vantage point outside the kitchen window before cops entered the house and then the kitchen. When cops eventually entered the kitchen, PC Collins realised his mistake in identifying dads body as a female, but cops were also presented with as it turned out the body of Sheila. In a nutshell, there was dad and daughter present in the kitchen when PC Collins peered in through the kitchen window, but he could only see one of them, which he mistakenly thought was a female when as it turns out it was dad. He didn't see Sheila. Hence, why once all the commotion of cops getting into the kitchen itself because of the struggle between PS Woodcock and an unarmed Sheila, led to her being shot 'across the neck', and ended up with her being 'presumed' dead downstairs in the kitchen, in time for the police message to be passed at 7.37am, 'THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, AND THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE, FOUND UPON ENTRY TO KITCHEN'...

If this wasn't true, then cops would have reported finding 'four other bodies upstairs in the bedrooms' by 8.10am, but they only reported three. They could only find three bodies upstairs 'after 7.37am, because two bodies had already been reported as being 'dead' downstairs in the kitchen, earlier...

The gun which fired the bullet across Sheila's neck downstairs in the kitchen, was not the anshuzt rifle, because at the time she got shot downstairs in the kitchen (at about 7.35am), the rifle in question was still resting against the upstairs bedroom window...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #782 on: May 13, 2016, 09:17:AM »
I have in my possession the 'original' reports and letters drafted up for J's benefit, from 'JUSTICE FOR ALL', dated, variously, as follows:-

May, 1996
28th May, 1994
27th January, 1994
29th November, 1993
25th May, 1993
12th October, 1993
20th September, 1993
29th August, 1991...
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 09:44:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #783 on: May 13, 2016, 10:01:AM »
I can now report, that Special Branch arranged for whf and J's cottage at 9 Head street, Goldhanger, to be 'photographed, in rather mysterious circumstances, on the day before the shootings (the 6th August, 1985)
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #784 on: May 13, 2016, 10:34:AM »
I can now report, that Special Branch arranged for whf and J's cottage at 9 Head street, Goldhanger, to be 'photographed, in rather mysterious circumstances, on the day before the shootings (the 6th August, 1985)

Why would photographs be being taken of the farmhouse and J's cottage on the day before the shootings?

What, did 'SB' know, that we don't?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #785 on: May 13, 2016, 11:13:AM »
I have in my possession a list of all the 'police action reports', which came into being in connection with the investigation, each 'action' being consecutively numbered in sequence. The dates all these actions were sanctioned are contained in the reports themselves, and the dates when information mentioned in these reports was obtained, is recorded in the various witness statements of other similar documents...

What I have been interested in  especially during the past two decades is trying to 'reconstruct' when the silencer 'DRB/1' came into being. I am now going to share with you some of my work that I carried out with regard to the same. For example, by reference to the aforementioned 'police action report, log', I managed to trace and locate every reference made to a silencer, and these were the results of a trawl through those records:-

Action No.

0068 - speak to Bamber re sites and silencer
0088 - collection of silencer AE/11/9 to Wright
0195 - Oakley attitude whf  David Boutflour
0200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
0273 - T s/m David Boutflour re silencer
1190 - Peter Eaton, date when Jones took possession of silencer
1320 - gun would not fit into cupboard with silencer in place
1549 -T s/m HO forensic re properties of silencer, metal hard
1606 - method by which blood was transferred to inside of signed silencer
1627 - obtain blood samples from Robert and David Boutflour, Christine and Peter Eaton for X-ref silencer
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #786 on: May 13, 2016, 11:17:AM »
I have in my possession a list of all the 'police action reports', which came into being in connection with the investigation, each 'action' being consecutively numbered in sequence. The dates all these actions were sanctioned are contained in the reports themselves, and the dates when information mentioned in these reports was obtained, is recorded in the various witness statements of other similar documents...

What I have been interested in  especially during the past two decades is trying to 'reconstruct' when the silencer 'DRB/1' came into being. I am now going to share with you some of my work that I carried out with regard to the same. For example, by reference to the aforementioned 'police action report, log', I managed to trace and locate every reference made to a silencer, and these were the results of a trawl through those records:-

Action No.

0088 - collection of silencer AE/11/9 to Wright

What becomes clear, is 'that' the silencer (DRB/1) was not collected from Annie Eaton (AE) until the 11th September, 1985, and this is confirmed by the contents of police action No. 0088, and the following documented information...
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 11:29:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #787 on: May 13, 2016, 12:26:PM »
No, not quite how you put it...

Dad was in the kitchen, but so was daughter. PC Collins misidentified dads body for the body of a female from his vantage point outside the kitchen window before cops entered the house and then the kitchen. When cops eventually entered the kitchen, PC Collins realised his mistake in identifying dads body as a female, but cops were also presented with as it turned out the body of Sheila. In a nutshell, there was dad and daughter present in the kitchen when PC Collins peered in through the kitchen window, but he could only see one of them, which he mistakenly thought was a female when as it turns out it was dad. He didn't see Sheila. Hence, why once all the commotion of cops getting into the kitchen itself because of the struggle between PS Woodcock and an unarmed Sheila, led to her being shot 'across the neck', and ended up with her being 'presumed' dead downstairs in the kitchen, in time for the police message to be passed at 7.37am, 'THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, AND THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE, FOUND UPON ENTRY TO KITCHEN'...

If this wasn't true, then cops would have reported finding 'four other bodies upstairs in the bedrooms' by 8.10am, but they only reported three. They could only find three bodies upstairs 'after 7.37am, because two bodies had already been reported as being 'dead' downstairs in the kitchen, earlier...

So Neville exited WHF after the raid team entered and is the hunched man ? Was he in his pyjama's. Why didn't the police outside apprehend him ?

The picture of Neville over a coal scuttle, is that a fake ?

Where did Neville go to ?
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 12:45:PM by Adam »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #788 on: May 13, 2016, 12:49:PM »
So Neville exited WHF after the raid team entered and is the hunched man ? Was he in his pyjama's. Why didn't the police outside apprehend him ?

The picture of Neville over a coal scuttle, is that a fake ?

Where did Neville go to ?
Adam think Mike is speaking about Nevill Bamber, a relative/cousin who was visiting the family at the time of the murders.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #789 on: May 13, 2016, 01:59:PM »
Jeremy's father was known as Nevill, not Neville.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #790 on: May 13, 2016, 02:02:PM »
. . . he 'arrived at the scene at 3.52am, sharp...
Nobody can know that, as the time when Jeremy arrived wasn't written down by any of the three police officers that he met.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #791 on: May 13, 2016, 03:58:PM »
 So it was a fair trial ? NOT !

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #792 on: May 13, 2016, 04:02:PM »
Thank God Jeremy's health is holding out ! That's all I can say.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #793 on: May 13, 2016, 04:03:PM »
So Neville exited WHF after the raid team entered and is the hunched man ? Was he in his pyjama's. Why didn't the police outside apprehend him ?

The picture of Neville over a coal scuttle, is that a fake ?

Where did Neville go to ?

Sorry, I must have confused you, I was referring to the relative, called, 'Ralph Neville', not dad...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #794 on: May 13, 2016, 04:04:PM »
Adam think Mike is speaking about Nevill Bamber, a relative/cousin who was visiting the family at the time of the murders.

Correct, thanks....
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