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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2190 on: June 02, 2016, 11:19:PM »
(38),  Apart from the lead and bromine results, in my view, there is no significance attachable to any of the findings of the other trace elements. These elements are environmentally common (as indeed is lead) and none is necessarily attributable to contact with the rifle or the ammunition by either Sheila Caffell or the testees'. The quantiutiues are small, and I would endorse Elliott's comment that ' It ius difficult to draw any real conclusions about the levels, such small levels.' (123A)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2191 on: June 02, 2016, 11:25:PM »
(39),  In the absence of experiments indicating the contrary, any effect on the XRF results of the blood stains on the hands of Sheila Caffell is likely to be unimportant. As indicated previously, the presence of blood staining could have effected the efficiency of the swabbing, although there is no record in the notes that the swabs were bloodstained. If this was the circumstance, blood on the swabs could have contributed some of the elements detected, but the lead and bromine results are unlikely to have been materially affected...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2192 on: June 02, 2016, 11:28:PM »
(40), The recent experiments conducted at the Metropolitan Forensic Science Laboratory by Brooke's were concerned with the possibility that the rifle, if repeatedly fired by Sheila Caffell, would have contaminated her nightdress. In the event, no evidence was forthcoming that this would have occurred...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2193 on: June 02, 2016, 11:29:PM »
(41),  At present, however, whether the state of the ammunition used in the experiments was representative of the original ammunition is open to question. There is a similar concern over the condition of the rifle...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2194 on: June 02, 2016, 11:29:PM »
(42),  There is reason to suppose that the lead found by Elliott in the Sheila Caffell hand swabs and in the hand swabs collected from the testees' who had loaded ammunition into the magazine of the rifle was derived from petroleum combustion residues...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2195 on: June 02, 2016, 11:30:PM »
(43),    On a qualitative basis, the Sheila Caffell hand swabs results were not significantly different from the results on the hand swabs collected from the testees'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2196 on: June 02, 2016, 11:30:PM »
(44),  Elliott's results are of no assistance to the determination of whether or not Sheila Caffell discharged the rifle...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2197 on: June 02, 2016, 11:31:PM »
(45),  There are inconsistencies between Fletchers evidence, Elliott's experimental results, and Brooke's recent investigation of the extent to which a person ipusing the rifle would become contaminated by residue from the rifle and from the ammunition. At present, no explanations are forthcoming...

J. B. F. Lloyd
July 2, 2002
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2198 on: June 02, 2016, 11:48:PM »
That's the report...

Seems to me the court which tried and convicted Jeremy for the murders were significantly deceived by the hand swab evidence results...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2199 on: June 02, 2016, 11:50:PM »
I have the XRF spectrum readings for the tests, and the original notes of Fletcher and Elliott...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2200 on: June 03, 2016, 12:28:AM »
No it wasn't, the results were crystal clear, Sheila's hand swab results were consistent with someone who had  NOT HANDLED A WEAPON OR AMMUNITION.

For the 4th time now!


As I have pointed out to you before, .22 rim-fire ammunition does not use a conventional propellant that centre fire ammunition used rendering the tests useless. The American authorities never fully realised this until 1989 and got the manufactures to include the ingrediants that would work.

Here is part of page 208 of the book Forensic Science From the Crime Scene to the Crime Lab by RICHARD SAFERSTEIN, PH.D. Forensic Science Consultant, Mt. Laurel


However, hand swabbing or the application of an adhesive cannot be
used to detect firings of most .22-caliber rim-fire ammunition
. Such ammunition’s
primer may contain only barium or neither barium nor antimony



Here is an extract of page 101 of Current methods in forensic gunshot residue analysis by
A. J. Schwoeble and David L. Exline forensic scientists at RJ Lee Group


The manufactures of Remington rimfire ammunition is ELEY LTD


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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2201 on: June 03, 2016, 01:54:AM »
No it wasn't, the results were crystal clear, Sheila's hand swab results were consistent with someone who had  NOT HANDLED A WEAPON OR AMMUNITION.

No it didn't...

I choose to believe the findings by Dr Lloyd  as set out in his report, that basically destroys the hand swab evidence relied upon to deceive the jury into thinking that Sheila could not have handled or loaded bullets into the gun. We now know that that suggestion by the prosecution and its supporters was a 'falsehood'. This chap Lloyd is more qualified than you, or anybody else who is still trying to rely upon the hand swab evidence at trial. The report has been published now, and your word against somebody as esteemed as Dr Lloyd (yes, he's one of those experts you recently mocked) in this particular field of his expertise, shuts you up good and proper. You can 'squeal' all you like, by claiming the evidence of Fletcher and Elliott was right, nobody with any sense will take note of the utter garbage that you keep spewing out of that lying gob of yours...

You have been well and truly put in your place on this occasion..,

Now, run along and tell all your pals how you got it wrong over the hand swab evidence...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2202 on: June 03, 2016, 02:05:AM »
(11),  Fletcher had stated that if the wounds to Sheila Caffell were self inflicted he would have expected oil and discharge residue to have been transferred from the rifle to her nightdress, whereas he detected no such residue. Whilst testifying during the trial, Fletcher said, ' after 25 shots I think there would have been a good chance, of some {residue of the propellant or oil or both} being on the person firing, a very good chance (trial transcript page 56A) Also, you get visible residues on your hands from the  loading procedure - from the material of the bullet and the lubricant on the bullet (56D). After a demonstration was made in court of a loading of blank ammunition into the magazine, Fletcher said, ... I still got black all over my hands, unfortunately' (61D). Presumably the ammunition was deactivated ammunition from the actual case (57C)...

Fletcher lied, and has been well and truly exposed as a con man...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2203 on: June 03, 2016, 02:07:AM »
(12),  the hand swabs taken from Sheila Caffell, together with a blank control, were examined, but a fourth swab taken from her hair was not examined. Elliott arranged testing of hand swabs taken from two members of the Lab' staff who had loaded the magazine of the alleged murder weapon. Presumably the pertinent ammunition was used, but this is unclear. In his statement, Elliott said that higher levels of lead were found in the testees' swabs than in swabs taken from the hands of Sheila Caffell. At trial, he said that the results implied (Sheila Caffell) had not carried out a process of loading 18 or more cartridges into the magazine (119D)...

Elliott deceived the court with his findings...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2204 on: June 03, 2016, 02:10:AM »
(15), the receipt date of the Sheila Caffell swabbing kit at the Lab', as 13th September, 1985, the '13 ' being a correction. The date on which the hand swabs were taken does not appear in the details noted from the labelling of the kit. Examination of swabs conducted on 24th October, 1985. Simultaneous experiments on members of Lab' staff who had loaded the magazine of the rifle concerned, conducted on the 29th October, 1985. Two persons have initialled the notes, 'AR', and an illegible initial presumed to be Elliott's...

Lo and behold, lord strueth, the labelling on the hand swab kit didn't even have the details of the date the hand swabs were taken, and yet the Lab' accepted them...
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