What makes Bamber innocent?

[sami]

Do the missing photographs, 1,2,3,4,5,6,9, and 10, from negative strip 00039 prove that there was no silencer inside the gun cupboard on the morning of the shootings?

This is an important question, since if it wasn't, and the silencer was use during the shootings, then whoever introduced 'that' silencer into 'that' gun cupboard must have had something to do with the killings...

The relatives introduced the silencer, not Jeremy...

there has been some talk of the marks on the mantle  not being visible in the original crime scene photos.but i feel had the relatives been  involved they would have put far more blood on and in the silencer.they had the blood stain panties in the bucket.imo

[sami]

does anyone know if there are photos of  the inside of sheila's hands

[Caroline]

does anyone know if there are photos of  the inside of sheila's hands

If there are, they aren't in the public domain. Personally, I think EP forgot to photograph her hands which is why Venezis changed his original position from stating there was blood on her hands, to her hands being clean.

[sami]

If there are, they aren't in the public domain. Personally, I think EP forgot to photograph her hands which is why Venezis changed his original position from stating there was blood on her hands, to her hands being clean.

good point caroline.hindsight is a good thing bad mistake by ep,but they were taken in by the masterful perfomance from jb

[John]

does anyone know if there are photos of  the inside of sheila's hands

There was no need as they were clean.

[sami]

There was no need as they were clean.

thanks john.thats interesting cause had the fingermarks in blood on her nightie been made by her hand than there should have been traces of blood on the inside of her hand.

[lookout]

thanks john.thats interesting cause had the fingermarks in blood on her nightie been made by her hand than there should have been traces of blood on the inside of her hand.

That's because it wasn't Sheila's hand.

[Steve_uk]

She had lovely hands, whatever her personality may or may not have lacked.

[lookout]

Yes she did Steve,that's why I say that it wasn't her handprint on her nightdress/Bible because the blood fingermarks aren't long enough to be Sheila's. You've only to look at the length of her thumb to judge the length of the rest of her fingers.
Those prints were from a much smaller hand-----------------her mother's !

[John]

thanks john.thats interesting cause had the fingermarks in blood on her nightie been made by her hand than there should have been traces of blood on the inside of her hand.

That's right and there would have been bloody fingerprints on the rifle and on some of the bullet casings too but there wasn't.   Maybe the supporters will claim she washed them too? 

[lookout]

That's right and there would have been bloody fingerprints on the rifle and on some of the bullet casings too but there wasn't.   Maybe the supporters will claim she washed them too? 

Was every casing examined ? Didn't Sheila put clothes in soak ? Yes,the water would have washed off the blood. However,particles of GSR were found,but that was blamed on the handling of kitchen utensils.Yeah !

[John]

Was every casing examined ? Didn't Sheila put clothes in soak ? Yes,the water would have washed off the blood. However,particles of GSR were found,but that was blamed on the handling of kitchen utensils.Yeah !

Yes, every casing.  No not GSR but background lead contaminants.  Geeez you really need to do some proper reading up on the facts of this case lookout.

[JackiePreece]

does anyone know if there are photos of  the inside of sheila's hands

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Vanezis Autopsy note and Rivlins examination

Rivlin - I am asking you about the staining, and I am asking you whether it occurred to you then, or if it didn't then whether it occurs to you now, that this staining which appears on that nightdress may have been caused by directly pressing blood-stained fingers against the cloth?
Vanezis - Yes, I mean of course it is an obvious position

Rivlin - It is an obvious position and it assumes that obvious appearance doesn't it?
Vanezis. That is right yes.

COA paragraph  517.

However, whilst Mr Ismail rightly recorded the evidence of Dr Vanezis, Mr Turner was able to point to a note made by Dr Vanezis at the time of the post-mortem examination that read:

"bloodstained palm prints on nightdress matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from R hand. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZQhFnCFdUw

[JackiePreece]

If there are, they aren't in the public domain. Personally, I think EP forgot to photograph her hands which is why Venezis changed his original position from stating there was blood on her hands, to her hands being clean.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=3222;image

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=20300;image

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=20301;image

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=20302;image

Vanezis Autopsy note and Rivlins examination

Rivlin - I am asking you about the staining, and I am asking you whether it occurred to you then, or if it didn't then whether it occurs to you now, that this staining which appears on that nightdress may have been caused by directly pressing blood-stained fingers against the cloth?
Vanezis - Yes, I mean of course it is an obvious position

Rivlin - It is an obvious position and it assumes that obvious appearance doesn't it?
Vanezis. That is right yes.

COA paragraph  517.

However, whilst Mr Ismail rightly recorded the evidence of Dr Vanezis, Mr Turner was able to point to a note made by Dr Vanezis at the time of the post-mortem examination that read:

"bloodstained palm prints on nightdress matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from R hand. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZQhFnCFdUw

[JackiePreece]

There was no need as they were clean.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=3222;image

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=20300;image

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=20301;image

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=264.0;attach=20302;image

Vanezis Autopsy note and Rivlins examination

Rivlin - I am asking you about the staining, and I am asking you whether it occurred to you then, or if it didn't then whether it occurs to you now, that this staining which appears on that nightdress may have been caused by directly pressing blood-stained fingers against the cloth?
Vanezis - Yes, I mean of course it is an obvious position

Rivlin - It is an obvious position and it assumes that obvious appearance doesn't it?
Vanezis. That is right yes.

COA paragraph  517.

However, whilst Mr Ismail rightly recorded the evidence of Dr Vanezis, Mr Turner was able to point to a note made by Dr Vanezis at the time of the post-mortem examination that read:

"bloodstained palm prints on nightdress matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from R hand. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZQhFnCFdUw