the most likely scenario as i see it

[Jane]

Not really, it's only because you don't agree.

No, the point was about Sheila's alleged competency with guns, NOT the ethics of such.

[JackiePreece]

was paul at the scene or is he just like us the only difference being he has wrote a book and made some money out of it

Were the police and relatives there?

Yes Paul wrote a book but I doubt he made any money out of it judging by the appalling sales figures.

[sami]

Were the police and relatives there?

Yes Paul wrote a book but I doubt he made any money out of it judging by the appalling sales figures.

he did get your money cause you know whats in his book.youre right police and relatives werent there.but they knew jb alot better than most ,family,

[JackiePreece]

jb best friend taff jones was happy to say it was the above .the relatives put the thought in the minds of the police but it was them that showed sheila did not do it .you know sheila not using guns is true apart jb only one other person says saw her handle a gun not fire it nor load it just handle it so its open to interpitation.you keep forgetting that 10 of 12 jury memmbers believed it

Sheila didn't have learning difficulties.  She grew up on a farm surrounded by guns.  All shots were close.  If she had a go when she walked round fields with her dad and brother who would know?  The person who could most reliably say whether Sheila ever used guns was probably her dad.  I was very close to my dad and I find it difficult to see I wouldn't have gone round the fields with him and said let's have a go dad.  The relatives couldn't even tell the twins apart or knew about her illness but know Sheila couldn't use a gun? 

The jury were putty for the prosecution with Jeremy's rubbish defence. 
 

[JackiePreece]

he did get your money cause you know whats in his book.youre right police and relatives werent there.but they knew jb alot better than most ,family,

You have to cover the up front costs before you get a profit.  Doubt he managed that.

The relatives statements say they had little to do with Sheila and Jeremy.

[sami]

Sheila didn't have learning difficulties.  She grew up on a farm surrounded by guns.  All shots were close.  If she had a go when she walked round fields with her dad and brother who would know?  The person who could most reliably say whether Sheila ever used guns was probably her dad.  I was very close to my dad and I find it difficult to see I wouldn't have gone round the fields with him and said let's have a go dad.  The relatives couldn't even tell the twins apart or knew about her illness but know Sheila couldn't use a gun? 

The jury were putty for the prosecution with Jeremy's rubbish defence. 
 

thats hindsight.sheila may not have been like you she might have said iam not killing animals dad you and jeramy go into the fields everyone is defferent.would family members not know if sheila was a shooter or just a looker if she had shot something in front of someone it would soon get about the family ,how good a shot she having killed an animal from this distance.familys do talk to each other

[JackiePreece]

thats hindsight.sheila may not have been like you she might have said iam not killing animals dad you and jeramy go into the fields everyone is defferent.would family members not know if sheila was a shooter or just a looker if she had shot something in front of someone it would soon get about the family ,how good a shot she having killed an animal from this distance.familys do talk to each other

Hindsight?

I don't kill animals.  I love my two horses.  I've always been kind to animals.  I'm a vegetarian. 
There's loads of things you can shoot round farms without killing living creatures including vermin.  Nevill probably set up shooting games/competitions when the children were young using non living creatures.  They could shoot at fruit on trees and scarecrows that sort of thing.

[sami]

Hindsight?

I don't kill animals.  I love my two horses.  I've always been kind to animals.  I'm a vegetarian. 
There's loads of things you can shoot round farms without killing living creatures including vermin.  Nevill probably set up shooting games/competitions when the children were young using non living creatures.  They could shoot at fruit on trees and scarecrows that sort of thing.

no proof of that

[Jane]

Sheila didn't have learning difficulties.  She grew up on a farm surrounded by guns.  All shots were close.  If she had a go when she walked round fields with her dad and brother who would know?  The person who could most reliably say whether Sheila ever used guns was probably her dad.  I was very close to my dad and I find it difficult to see I wouldn't have gone round the fields with him and said let's have a go dad.  The relatives couldn't even tell the twins apart or knew about her illness but know Sheila couldn't use a gun? 

The jury were putty for the prosecution with Jeremy's rubbish defence. 
 

Possibly they knew, by default, that Sheila wasn't into guns ie none had ever seen her in out with her father with a gun.

[JackiePreece]

Possibly they knew, by default, that Sheila wasn't into guns ie none had ever seen her in out with her father with a gun.

Who's "they"?

[lookout]

Possibly they knew, by default, that Sheila wasn't into guns ie none had ever seen her in out with her father with a gun.

Apart from DB and PE,who both spluttered when that subject was broached.

[Caroline]

Yes I do.

There is a reason why forensic science is used, its because what people say is not reliable.

I am not going to believe JB is guilty based on the dubious word of an ex-girlfriend.

Ever wondered why police never tried putting an audio recorder on Julie or recording a telephone conversation while instructing Julie to bring up a conversation with JB about his "confession"? That would have got them undeniable proof! but they didn't I wonder why? 

No you don't, there is nothing forensic about YOUR OPINION.

It doesn't matter what YOU believe and you don't want to believe he's guilty because that would mean you were trying to help the murderer of five people get back to the COA.

Yes, I have wondered that and have written about it on the forum. However, the recording would have been inadmissible in court so what would be the point? Also, by the time Julie went to police, they had split up.

If the police were involved in coaching Julie, they wouldn't have let her cherry pick between what the family thought and what they knew.

[Caroline]

Now now,don't get shirty,Gertie.

And you accuse other people of goading! 

[JackiePreece]

no proof of that

No proof they didn't either.

Sheila was much closer to her dad than her mum so it stands to reason she would want to be with him and do what he was doing that's what kids do Sami.

[lookout]

And you accuse other people of goading! 

I don't goad. I answer-back the goaders in my own way which is straight and not underhand.