the most likely scenario as i see it

[sami]

the rifle was empty when the fight in the kitchen took place  thats how the lampshade broke in the kitchen

[Caroline]

There is no cicumstancial evidence to add together in the first place. All you have is tainted words of Julie Mugford and The Relatives that wanted him convicted. To claim that is logical proof of guilt is beyond laughable

You saying it is beyond laughable is beyond laughable. You have tried to say Julie could have gotten her story from the relatives and or police but that doesn't fit with the hit man story. To suggest the police would add this into the mix is also laughable. There is no reason whatsoever, why the police would drag MM into it - it obviously came from Jeremy.

[lookout]

 It's strange when you can sense that someone's straining at the leash.

[sami]

There is no cicumstancial evidence to add together in the first place. All you have is tainted words of Julie Mugford and The Relatives that wanted him convicted. To claim that is logical proof of guilt is beyond laughable

how about what 10 members of the jury believed that no forencis or other evidence could show sc didnt do it.you banging on about prove jb did it we dont need to nor did the prosacution .they clearly showed sc didnt do it.what more proof do you want

[Caroline]

It's strange when you can sense that someone's straining at the leash.

What you do in the privacy of your own home is your own business Lookout. 

[lookout]

What you do in the privacy of your own home is your own business Lookout. 

Mmmm,now that was funny.

[David1819]

You saying it is beyond laughable is beyond laughable. You have tried to say Julie could have gotten her story from the relatives and or police but that doesn't fit with the hit man story. To suggest the police would add this into the mix is also laughable. There is no reason whatsoever, why the police would drag MM into it - it obviously came from Jeremy.

Sigh..... Here we go again

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7554.0.html

[David1819]

how about what 10 members of the jury believed that no forencis or other evidence could show sc didnt do it.you banging on about prove jb did it we dont need to nor did the prosacution .they clearly showed sc didnt do it.what more proof do you want

What jury heard was not the whole story at all. The evidence used by prosecutors to convince the jury has been proven unreliable and in somecases totally false

[Caroline]

Sigh..... Here we go again

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7554.0.html

Why are you posting your BIG conspiracy theory post as proof? Big arrogant David! And you can't explain with ANY credibility why the police would add MM into the mix.

[sami]

What jury heard was not the whole story at all. The evidence used by prosecutors to convince the jury has been proven unreliable and in somecases totally false

by who bamber supporters certainly not jb lawers or he would be out

[David1819]

Why are you posting your BIG conspiracy theory post as proof? Big arrogant David! And you can't explain with ANY credibility why the police would add MM into the mix.

Its not a conspiracy theory its a conspiracy fact. Jeremy's alleged confession does not corroborate the facts of the crime its the same false information police gave AE and RB. Had Jeremy confessed in detail it would match the facts of the crime scene and it does not.

MM went around telling people he was a hitman and RB speculates JB had an accomplice. My theory is since MM and JB were friends police and RB joined the dots (In their minds) That's far more credible than your theory that JB implicated himself and MM because he slept with Sue! That sounds like a storyline out of Eastenders


 

[Caroline]

Its not a conspiracy theory its a conspiracy fact. Jeremy's alleged confession does not corroborate the facts of the crime its the same false information police gave AE and RB. Had Jeremy confessed in detail it would match the facts of the crime scene and it does not.

MM went around telling people he was a hitman and RB speculates JB had an accomplice. My theory is since MM and JB were friends police and RB joined the dots (In their minds) That's far more credible than your theory that JB implicated himself and MM because he slept with Sue! That sounds like a storyline out of Eastenders

Of course his confession to Julie doesn't corroborate the facts, he's not stupid. He told her some truths and some lies.

They weren't friends and there is no credible reason why RB would know anything about MM because he and Jeremy were related only in so much as they shared a similar habit. I doubt he'd be telling RB about his latest dope deals and MM and RB didn't mix in the same circles. Your theory isn't credible at all. Also for all we know, Julie might have mentioned to AE that Sheila was found on the bed, not the other way around. By the way, I don't watch Eastenders, it's shite!

[David1819]

Of course his confession to Julie doesn't corroborate the facts, he's not stupid. He told her some truths and some lies.

No, the information she gave is the same erroneous information that police gave AE and RB. its not difficult to work out were she got it from.

Agreed Jeremy is not stupid, therefor he would not be stupid enough to implicate himself to Julie because MM slept with sue

[Caroline]

No, the information she gave is the same erroneous information that police gave AE and RB. its not difficult to work out were she got it from.

Jeremy is not stupid therefor he would not be stupid enough to implicate himself to Julie because MM slept with sue

No, that's where YOU want her to have got it from.

He implicated himself in the plot LONG before he thought of adding MM into the mix. I SAID he added MM so that if Julie went to the police she would de discredited and he CHOSE MM because he had a grudge. If if don't understand what I mean, then ask but don't write some half arsed rendition.

[David1819]

No, that's where YOU want her to have got it from.

No. That's where I KNOW she got it from. The probability that Jeremy confesses to Julie and deliberately gives her false information about the crime scene that just so happens to be the same false information police gave EA and RB goes against astronomical odds.