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Offline David1819

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2016, 07:57:PM »
David, you're splitting hairs. Bottom line is that they -and Jeremy- were convicted of murder.

A conviction (specially in those days) does not nessisarily prove they did what they where convicted of.

 

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2016, 08:00:PM »
Like Jane says, so is Jeremy's. The fact that you don't want to believe it, doesn't make him any less guilty and don't post the usual "PROVE IT" - not unless you can prove he didn't.

What do you mean I don't want to believe it? I ask you time and time again for you to prove it and you come back with nothing substantial, then leave the responsibility with the accused. Shifting the burden of proof. That in itself speaks volumes

In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence. —Copi, Introduction to Logic (1953), 

The latin semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges"

The philosophical burden of proof lies with the accuser(You). All I have to do show doubt on the evidence that the accusers produce. And so far you make that an easy Job, claims such as "Shelia would not have chosen that spot to shoot herself" or "Julie Mugford said so" is not just weak its worthy of ridicule
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2016, 08:07:PM »

And what would have been your reaction if all those guilty murders had walked because of lack of forensic proof?






But they wouldn't have walked. The police got it right that time.
 Sadly not with JB's case where stuff was destroyed and ALL they had was a silencer with rabbit blood in it. I say rabbit blood because it wasn't DNA'd ,just tested for grouping only, and compares to human blood. Perhaps they should have hired a vetinary surgeon.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2016, 08:08:PM »
A conviction (specially in those days) does not nessisarily prove they did what they where convicted of.

OK so lets forget the judicial system and let all those out who were convicted "in those days". You and Mike seem to have much in common.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2016, 08:12:PM »
What do you mean I don't want to believe it? I ask you time and time again for you to prove it and you come back with nothing substantial, then leave the responsibility with the accused. Shifting the burden of proof. That in itself speaks volumes

In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence. —Copi, Introduction to Logic (1953), 

The latin semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges"

The philosophical burden of proof lies with the accuser(You). All I have to do show doubt on the evidence that the accusers produce. And so far you make that an easy Job, claims such as "Shelia would not have chosen that spot to shoot herself" or "Julie Mugford said so" is not just weak its worthy of ridicule
it did lie with the prosicution who successfully showed jb was the killer not on a forum but in a court of law and 10 people believed them.that speaks for itself

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #125 on: May 21, 2016, 08:12:PM »





But they wouldn't have walked. The police got it right that time.
 Sadly not with JB's case where stuff was destroyed and ALL they had was a silencer with rabbit blood in it. I say rabbit blood because it wasn't DNA'd ,just tested for grouping only, and compares to human blood. Perhaps they should have hired a vetinary surgeon.

It wasn't destroyed immediately. They took those pieces they believed related to what they thought the crime had been before destroying anything.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2016, 08:17:PM »
It wasn't destroyed immediately. They took those pieces they believed related to what they thought the crime had been before destroying anything.






" Thought's " no good,Jane. The verdict had to be beyond reasonable doubt,and it wasn't because of thoughts,maybe's and probably's.

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« Reply #127 on: May 21, 2016, 08:18:PM »
i still say jb will never get another day in court the public are not interested in the case ,no high profile people champianing his cause no one chaining themselfs to no 10 saying bamber is innocent or miscarrige of justice

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« Reply #128 on: May 21, 2016, 08:19:PM »
10 people were happy beyond resonable doubt thats why jb is where he is

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #129 on: May 21, 2016, 08:22:PM »





" Thought's " no good,Jane. The verdict had to be beyond reasonable doubt,and it wasn't because of thoughts,maybe's and probably's.

And it was. 10 out of 12 people agreed. You say "Thought's" no good. You're right. They THOUGHT it was Sheila.

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« Reply #130 on: May 21, 2016, 08:32:PM »
And it was. 10 out of 12 people agreed. You say "Thought's" no good. You're right. They THOUGHT it was Sheila.






Yes,and even they are wrong in my estimation as there were THREE adults inside that farmhouse,mother,father and daughter. Two of those adults peppered in bullets-------one clean.

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« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2016, 08:34:PM »





Yes,and even they are wrong in my estimation as there were THREE adults inside that farmhouse,mother,father and daughter. Two of those adults peppered in bullets-------one clean.

Well, that's you're opinion and you're entitled to it but the jury didn't agree with you.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2016, 08:41:PM »
Well, that's you're opinion and you're entitled to it but the jury didn't agree with you.






A two-bit jury doesn't bother me. They have to be wrong sometime,they're not infallible.

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« Reply #133 on: May 21, 2016, 08:46:PM »





A two-bit jury doesn't bother me. They have to be wrong sometime,they're not infallible.


Whether or not that "two bit jury" bothers you, they still convicted him.

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« Reply #134 on: May 21, 2016, 08:50:PM »

Whether or not that "two bit jury" bothers you, they still convicted him.






How would you have viewed the situation if Sheila had been sprayed with bullets like her parents were and either of one parent remained clean ?